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Are Harmonics Blowing up my Capacitors?

11/22/2011 8:46 AM

I have a power factor correction capacitor bank rated 600kVAR. It is in parallel with three 1250hp motors on soft start systems used for gas compression. The bank has a contactor that closes only when 2 or three motors are running and is unlatched when the soft start is ramping up the motors. So, basically, it is only latched in when 2 or 3 motors are running full speed. The first time we used the cap bank it blew the fuses upstream of the contactor (connected to the bus). We changed out the fuses to different fuses and the second time it ran it blew the cap bank. It was suggested we have harmonics issue, but the utility did a power quality study and showed .05% harmonics. Seems low to me. Also, it was mentioned it might be resonance. But when I went out there with the utility we only latched in 300kVAR; half of the full amount. This should have gotten us away from any resonance issue. Now, the last thing to note is that when we did latch in the 300kVAR, it made a very eerie sound, like someone was waving a light saber in front of you (wa, wa, wa, wa). Definitely didn't sound right, so we latched it back out. I have no idea what's going on with this thing. It's been noted maybe it's from the utility. Someone mentioned perhaps an open NGR at the utility. Any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated!

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Re: Is harmonics blowing up my capacitors??

11/22/2011 8:48 AM

Is it new, and therefore under manufacturer's warranty? If so, get the supplier in 'tout de suite'!

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Re: Is Harmonics Blowing Up My Capacitors??

11/22/2011 10:05 AM

I like to study the schematic before answering. It could be due to inrush current.

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11/22/2011 11:17 AM

It sounds like something isn't wired right or something is defective.....That sound you described sounds like the capacitors were shorted...

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11/23/2011 8:55 AM

I think Solar Eagle is right on. If every thing checks good it is inrush current. We leave ours online 24/7. They have a large reactor (inductor) in the connection to the 15KV and rare to loose one, if we do it is when we energize the Bank (one on each Phase) .

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11/22/2011 12:17 PM

Actually harmonics could be causing your capacitors to burn up. Some of ours literally caught on fire. The voltage rating of your capacitors is most likely exceeded when harmonics are involved. If you have variable speed drives or anything that changes the frequency of the incoming AC line, then harmonics are present. DC power supplies count as devices that change the incoming frequency.

The calculation can be a little confusing but if you know the percent of current at the fundamental and the other harmonics, you can calculate the peak voltage that the capacitors are seeing. Then you have to calculate the voltages at each of the frequencies and add them up.

V(cap) = I/(2*PI*f*c) for each of the frequencies.

I = current at fundamental, and odd (multipliers) harmonics - typically power supplies generate a lot of 3 harmonic distortion. Variable Frequency Drives generate a lot of 11th harmonic and 13 harmonic distortion.

f = frequency for each individual case

c = capacitance value in Farads

A simple fix would be some inductors in line with each phase to resist or filter out the current. Newer techniques involve some phase shifting stepdown transformers which help if you are adding or replacing any of those. If you can arrange a visit to Pittsburg, PA then Eaton has a great lab to demonstrate options for cleaning up power problems. You will get a whole semester worth of concepts in a few hours there, and its generally free.

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11/22/2011 11:42 PM

An open or intermittent Neutral Grounding Resistor at the utility could certainly allow transient over-voltages to occur. Here's an interesting short article on the subject:

http://www.startco.ca/library/papers/Monitoring%20NGRs.pdf

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11/22/2011 11:52 PM

The two things which most commonly blow up capacitors are:

1. over voltage - can be spikes or resonance issues

2. Ripple current.

Also you have spoken about latching the PFC array in to an operating system with a contactor - the caps will have a residual charge on them - they could be switched into an antiphase voltage, causing a huge current spike which they would certainly not like. You have soft start on the motors, soft switching of the PFC array would also be a good idea.

Your 'wa wa' sound concerns me - can you measure the voltages and currents.

Alternately you could perhaps use three smaller PFC arrays - one for each motor, designed for the motor and each permanently connected to its motor and soft switched with the motor....

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11/23/2011 12:03 AM

In a plant where I used to work, we had many capacitor banks for power correction, due to the large induction motor load. As we installed more VFD's, we found that our power factor dropped. We found we were blowing the capacitors. An expert that we brought in, determined that the 3rd harmonic was causing us the problem. He recommended that we go to a sponge capacitor as this was more harmonic resistant. The boss was too cheap and we just kept replacing the film capacitors. It made me wonder how much money we were saving by not using the proper capacitors.

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11/23/2011 6:20 AM

Hi Vic,

they have soft starters (with cap banks correctly switched off during ramping), not VFDs. Harmonics are low as measured. Hope those low values include harmonics coming from neighbors. What is a "sponge capacitor"?

Sounds like a combination of ressonance and inrush current effects.

If it's a new system, vendor should debug it.

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11/23/2011 8:22 AM

You didn't mention if the 0.5% harmonics is for the voltage or the current.

I assume that it is for the voltage. In this case, it doesn't say much about the harmonic currents flow. You may have a good amount of harmonic current that only produce a small voltage distortion because of the low impedance of the source.

All of this to say that resonance with certain harmonics is very likely the cause of the failures. The measurements you reported are not adequate to solve this problem. Don't forget that the utility's objective is to brush you off.

Hire a real professional with experience in this type of problems and take the measurements for both the current and voltage distortion at different harmonics. A transients study must be included. The professional will be able to use the feeder (and plant) impedances to calculate the parallel resonance frequency for different combination of load and capacitor banks.

From there, he is likely to recommend tuning reactors to shift the resonance frequencies away from the tuned banks.

This will correctly solve your problem.

P.S. Make sure your expert has real working systems out there. Many people say they can do it but only produce firework. It is more than doing the calculation. You also have to know how to take the measurements interpret them and select the proper material with the safety margins. On top of it, you have to account for all these unlikely events that will blow up your banks at the worst time...

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11/23/2011 9:27 AM

Always something good on here, an interesting post with the VFDs but I don't quite see how it rated a good answer with regards to the soft starts. In any event, what did catch my eye was the 600kvar for 2 or 3 motors. Not sure what your original PF was but breaking it down to 1 motor at 300kvar,it appears that you may be over correcting. At the very least, I would suggest checking the motor data for maximum recommended PF correction

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Re: Are Harmonics Blowing up my Capacitors?

11/28/2011 12:01 PM

Well, as it turns out there isn't a NGR at the utility as previously assumed. It's been mentioned that it might be resonance, but it seems to me if I remove half the kVAR's of the capacitor that will remove me from any resonant issue. The other possibility I saw in everyones posts is that it might be a shorted capacitor. Someone here mentioned that it could be a grounding/bonding issue and to verify the grounding. The cap banks frame is grounded with a 12-gauge wire; someone mentioned going to a #6 wire. Not sure if that will help. I'm still at a loss as to if it's a harmonic issue, grounding issue, or something entirely different.

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11/28/2011 3:45 PM

Removing half the capacitance will increase the resonance frequency by 1.4x. The system is less likely to resonate at higher frequency but it will if you have some harmonics, transients, or other noise at that frequency.

One thing that will help you is that as the frequency increase, the dampening also increase which usually reduce the amplitude of the resonance. Also, harmonic amplitudes are usually smaller at higher frequencies.

Therefore, It will probably help but there aren't any guaranties.

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