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NPN, PNP or Namur Configuration

12/01/2011 6:02 PM

I am working on a project that will use a flow meter connected to a flow batcher. The flow meter can be ordered with an NPN, PNP or Namur configuration. I was wondering what the differences are and which one would be the best one for me to use?

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Re: NPN, PNP or Namur configuration

12/01/2011 6:21 PM

Basic information on the differences between PNP, NPN and Namur (which I have never come across) are in the data sheet, but relate to current sinking or sourcing (some meters require a certain type where others have an adjustable setting to allow either).

Data sheets and manuals seem to indicate PNP output is what you want for your application.

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12/02/2011 9:26 AM
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Re: NPN, PNP or Namur Configuration

12/03/2011 2:17 AM

This kind of data sheet unfortunately is often to be found. The problem is when developers have to write a description of their own instruments because they (and only they) know what they mean. Papers like that will never totally meet the customers requirements - they should have been written by people who look on the instrument for the first time in order to clear all possible questions.

Your batcher can be configured as input for up to 30V - this seems the right for me as you get 24V pulses out of your npn configured meter output. I would try this.

Good luck - regards Uwe

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12/03/2011 8:23 AM

Beg to differ - the pulse input has no pull-up, so it would need to be driven by a sourcing output (PNP). An external resistor would be needed for NPN.

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12/05/2011 10:12 AM

Actually, it is exactly the opposite. Namur is an international standard for the chemical industry. The specifications for Namur sensors were defined through collaboration between sensor manufacturers in order to make the specs readily accessible to everyone in the industry.

Namur sensors from any manufacturer will work with intrinsically safe barriers (ISBs) from any other manufacturer. In other words, thanks to the standard one can easily use Turck sensors with Banner ISBs. In the past was sometimes possible, but very tedious. In fact, it was usually easier to replace both the sensor and the ISB when only the sensor was bad.

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12/05/2011 10:26 AM

Usually NPN or PNP is selected based on the type of controller you are using, and the type of controller you use is based on preference. In the US, PNP inputs are the most common. To put it simply, a PNP input switches the "hot" wire of an electrical circuit. In Japan, NPN inputs, which switch the negative wire, are the most common.

Namur sensors are specially designed to work with intrinsically safe barriers (ISBs). ISBs are electronic devices that limit current to a few mA in the event of a fault such as a cut wire. This protection makes it safe to use an electrical device in a hazardous environment like a chemical processing plant where explosive vapors or dust are likely to be suspended in the atmosphere, and a small spark could lead to a disaster. Since ISBs are expensive they are not typically used non-hazardous environments.

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12/05/2011 10:37 AM

To answer your question... If my interpretation of the data sheet is correct, then terminals 2 and 4 are configured to accept PNP or NPN inputs depending one whether you wire the hot wire to common or the negative wire to common. It is probably possible to mix sensor types if you want to, since there are two separate terminals labeled common rather than a single shared common terminal.

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1- COMMON

2- N.O.(N.C./NPN)

3- COMMON

4- N.O.(N.C./NPN)

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12/05/2011 10:41 AM

... Think you'll find those are the batcher outputs. See the drawing I posted, taken from the manual.

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12/05/2011 10:42 AM

I was taking it that terminals 13 and 14 are the batcher output.

Nevermind, I looked too quick - Relay stands for relay out I assume. The data sheet that I looked at did not have the sample wiring diagram that you show in your post.

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12/05/2011 10:46 AM

Sorry - mis-read. 13/14 is batcher analog out, 1/2 and 3/4 are batcher relay out. Sensor in (to which the OP's question relates) is on 5.

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12/05/2011 10:50 AM

I'm so used to PLCs that I don't spend much time reading data sheets anymore.

It's much easier to look at the picture in this case.

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Re: NPN, PNP or Namur Configuration

12/06/2011 4:52 PM

Sorry it took me so long to get back I have been struggling with getting ready for finals. Thanks everybody for your help once again CR4 has refused to let me down.

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