Previous in Forum: Root Face Clarification   Next in Forum: GE DC300 Puzzle
Close
Close
Close
15 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Commentator

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 73

Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/19/2011 9:16 AM

I know that ex raring is explosion proof rating for instrument n IP for ingress protection. I m having doubt if instrument having Exd rating can have IP rating as 54? If its not going to sustain water jets then wil it have enough entry to allow spark to come out ot Enclosure wen explosion occurs?

__________________
Be happy :)
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Anywhere I may be at the time
Posts: 661
Good Answers: 16
#1

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/19/2011 10:32 AM

Explore Norma Reg 10, by the way I do not think that you are accurate of your EX interpretation either....

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#2

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/19/2011 11:24 AM
  • Is this enclosure sealed in accordance with its certification document?
  • Is the enclosure modified in any way away from its certificated condition?
  • Are all the cable gland entries sealed in accordance with its certified condition using certified cable glands and blanks?
  • Etc., etc.
__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#3

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/19/2011 12:58 PM

Yes standard Ex d boxes have a small gap in the lid to allow hot gases to escape from inside the box and cool enough to not cause an explosion outside the box (that's how they work), however it is possible to get Ex d rated boxes with IP-rated gaskets up to about IP66

Link

The functional operation of the Ex d box remains uneffected because the gasket allows the high pressure release while preventing the ingress of low pressure water or dust.

__________________
jack of all trades
Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 73
#5
In reply to #3

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/19/2011 8:41 PM

Thanks..this is what I wanted to know. I didn't know abt Exd having small gap to hot gases to escape. But if what if the enclosure is not pressurized?

__________________
Be happy :)
Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/19/2011 10:09 PM

Best you read up on how Ex d protection actually works, the pressurisation is created by an explosion of gasses inside an ex d enclosure, the gap is necessary and there to prevent the enclosure turning into a bomb and to allow the gas enough time to cool as it passes from the inside of the enclosure out.

Very basic overview link

__________________
jack of all trades
Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 73
#8
In reply to #6

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/19/2011 11:27 PM

Hi , I went thru d link u forwarded..thanks am getting ur point but I am still confused abt certain things. I myself have got JBs installed in refinert Exd ones n I m sure that those were not Pressurized while installing. As u said high pressure may get create d after explosion But my doubt is what if molecules enter thru gaps provided??

__________________
Be happy :)
Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#9
In reply to #8

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/20/2011 3:15 AM

It doesn't matter. Ex d boxes are designed to withstand the effects of an internal explosion without transmitting an incendive flame to the surrounding area.

Do not confuse this with Ex p, which is explosion prevention by purging the enclosure with air from a safe area and preventing flammable materials entering.

That is why reading is important, and adequate training is vital.

-0-0-0-

Next time, please define abbreviations before using them.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 73
#12
In reply to #9

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/20/2011 12:34 PM

I have read information on given links. Pls. provide if.you have any document. I googled but didn't get any proper info.

__________________
Be happy :)
Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#13
In reply to #12

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/21/2011 3:59 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_Equipment_in_Hazardous_Areas

Please desist from any activities involving the above until appropriate workplace-based training has been completed, for the sake of the facility, its output, the safety of those working there and of those living and working in the neighbourhood.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#15
In reply to #13

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/21/2011 12:47 PM

Down here electrical plant installers or electricians may only have a rudimentary understanding of hazardous area equipment, relying quite a bit on the inspector to ensure correct compliance.

Sadly this does not always happen (a recent cool-store fire, and grain warehouse and mine explosions are evidence of that).

__________________
jack of all trades
Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#14
In reply to #12

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/21/2011 12:44 PM

More detailed information can also be found in such standards as BS EN 60079-0 and its companion standards.

__________________
jack of all trades
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Anywhere I may be at the time
Posts: 661
Good Answers: 16
#4

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/19/2011 5:22 PM

On another note, if you are dealing with instrumentation it is common in the drilling industry to have positive pressure enclosures for multiple instrument switchgear.

Tim

Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#7
In reply to #4

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/19/2011 10:11 PM

Don't get me started with Ex p pressurised enclosures, I am trying to assemble one for a (late) job right now.

__________________
jack of all trades
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Anywhere I may be at the time
Posts: 661
Good Answers: 16
#11
In reply to #7

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/20/2011 8:11 AM

Ha ha, good luck and get crackin.....

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#10
In reply to #4

Re: Explosion Proof Instrument and Ingress Protection

12/20/2011 3:17 AM

...which is Ex p, not Ex d. The original poster seems confused by the difference between them.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 15 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

jack of all trades (5); msn (3); PWSlack (4); Tim in Mexico (3)

Previous in Forum: Root Face Clarification   Next in Forum: GE DC300 Puzzle

Advertisement