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Broadband Network Towers

12/22/2011 9:26 PM

My learned colleagues, I face a dilemma.

I have been approached with a proposal to allow instalation of a broadband network tower on our property.

I am after good advice on what "sweeteners" I could request into the deal and also what "conditions" I should require of the deal.

Current situation is, my prefered location for tower is some 300m to 500m from residence. (Alternate location on neighbours place is within 200m from our residence.) Financially they will pay us for ongoing access rights to the site, and thus maybe maintain my property driveway. The occupied final site is 100 sq m (Not 100m sq) and the 40m high tower will be located amongst 5Ha (12 acres) of 30m high timber.

As a national authority, they have right to resume land, so rather than get argumentative about it (and possibly end up with the tower even closer to our house) we are looking at active negotiation.

As I see it, there will be some benefits to us. For instance, our mains power supply will be almost guaranteed reliability and receive priority restoration. There may be opportunity to negotiate a handsome internet access (compared to the current PEAK of 1.5kB, yes that's k not M.) etc.

I am obviously seeking solicitor's advice, but just thought the collective wisdom here may provide some additional material.

[Regarding "health" issues, if it is shown to be safe for the Koalas in the trees, then it should be safe for us at 3x the distance. PS: Our house is metal framed and metal clad, so almost a farrady cage.}

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Re: Broadband network towers

12/22/2011 9:39 PM

they usually have a wide range of possible monthly payments they are allowed to negotiate with for the lease. Ask your neighbor how much they offered him and raise the ante...

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12/22/2011 10:56 PM

Personally I would shoot for the road maintenance and top end Internet connection package being the better electrical service will be include anyway. After that just be friendly and and see what else they offer.

A good driveway improvement and gravel job plus top speed Internet connections is a fairly expensive thing if you are going to pay for it yourself so keep those long term costs in mind regarding your negotiations.

The main thing is on't get greedy or you could end up loosing everything offered real fast.

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12/22/2011 11:33 PM

I have one behind the warehouse I rent, the landlord is a good friend and he told me they pay him 5000.00 USD per year. I believe that is about 4959.33 - 413.28 AUD monthly.

The land it is on commercial/residential zoned so propety value is moot, however my spot rents for .24 per sq ft

He takes no comps on any service.

Fair money for 200 sq ft of property.

They had a choice of another location, not far but this location enabled them to direct primary use.

This should give you and idea where to start based on your market

38*18'25"N 85*42'18"W it is 200 ft SW from my desk.

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12/23/2011 7:50 PM

Don't get your hopes up about the internet access that you will get. Most likely they are installing a vertically polarized Omni antenna. ALL antenna patterns have both a horizontal and a vertical radiation pattern to them. While proximity helps signal strength, being (essentially) right underneath the antenna, you will probably be in a blind spot.

It would be a good thing to ask about, before you barter for a useless connection.

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12/24/2011 8:57 AM

http://www.myfourways.co.za/news/world-renowned-international-scientist-barrie-trower-talks-about-electromagnetic-radiation

Here is a good source for the info and studies pointing our some of the negatives. No doubt you will get plenty of good advice on "sweeteners". I hope for the future generations that this does turn out to be "bitter sweet".

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12/24/2011 9:56 AM

Hells Bells, I'd ask that they purchase and install a brand new Ham radio mast so collated with this proposed Net tower.......just for Chits & Giggles, especially if you're out in the outback!

Paved driveway in lieu of a gravel one....

They provide you with FREE high speed Internet service for LIFE and those of you ancestors as long as it's located on your land.......

Be careful about them co-locating additional towers and other antennas in the future without your expressed approval......there are not to be additional freebies without additional compensation......I've seen this happen to some landowners (as a County Planning board member back in the late 90's) that had a cell tower installed on their land and later several other cell services co-located there. They got rooked big time because of the "fine print" in the contract which their shyster lawyer missed.

Q: Is a standby generator set to be installed at the proposed site? If Yes, inquire if they can power-up your home in the event of a power outage!

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12/24/2011 10:52 AM

Just something you should be aware of. Here in the US, any tower taller than 100' require red lights whenever ambient light drops below a certain level. Most countries observe similar requirements for air space according to ICAO. Up to 45m must have steady burn lighting. Over 45m must have a flashing red beacon or strobe light. If it will be close to your home, be prepared to have flashing lights whenever the sun is not shining. This can be a significant problem. Some people even have neurological problems when exposed to this. You should at least ask how tower will be lit.

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12/24/2011 2:33 PM

I've bought sites for transmission towers and would say keep the deal straight forward by just going for cash. The people doing the negotiation are not able to easily get access to "internet for life". You should put a value on this and then include it in your rental. Same goes for maintenance/construction of accessways.

Things to look for

1. site restoration - what is going to be cut down, what ground works will occur, what will it look like when they have finished

2. Site access - what size vehicles will be coming in during the construction phase. Watch out for damage to underground services and culvets. How many times per annum will they be coming to site?

3. Limit your permission to a number of antennas, erp, type of service, frequency band, single customer. You can milk the cow again and again if you don't give away all at the start.

4. Somebody said something about the possibility of getting bad reception close in. This can be a good thing as they can engineer a null into where your house is and dercrease the amount of non ionising rdiation to which you will be constantly exposed to.

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12/26/2011 5:02 AM

Thanks for all the good stuff so far.

"Go for the cash." seems to be the best option, as it's a simple bottom line single negotiation that I can explain to the legal guys who will draft the contract/easements etc.

I had already definately intended to have the contract limited to single (and non enhanced) utilisation with each user to become an additional contract.

Since the original post, I've considered that the main ground line from Sydney to Brisbane that is located along our property boundary may be the attraction here, enabling interconnection of these networks. Linked with line of sight to the tower in the middle of this valley that seems to be the hub of the phone network that is already in place.

As regards additional use of the tower, we have suffered that where I work. Masts erected on water towers (obviously the high spots in the terrain.) have been enhanced to the point where we need to obtain permission from them to access our assets, even to the point where radiation levels in those zones are "of concern" unless the towers are powered down.

I am by no means in "the outback", but distances in Australia and population density means that even relatively developed places will not be getting cable to home, but rather "wireless".

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01/02/2012 5:34 AM

Seems they are keen.

The initial offer has arrived in the mail between Christmas and new years.

$4k per year (indexed to national inflation rate), 50W maximum output.

I'm seeing an accountant first to check out the impact. Probably get the payments into wife's account, otherwise We'll get slugged 50% income tax on the lot. Her marginal tax rate is currently nil.

We might even decide to put it 100% into superannuation account and because she will qualify as "low income earner" the federal Gvt will match the first $1500 per year. (As I said, need to see an accountant before the solicitor.) That will make $5500 per year invested, and because it's "personal contributions" it has some benefits.

For those overseas, Aus has a superannuation program where profits are taxed at flat 15% and anyone with full time work has compulsory contributions payed by employer at around 10% of wages. This is so that when we retire we should be "self funding" retirees. But this is getting a little off topic for transmission towers so I'll stop there on details.

Again, thanks for the feedback.

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01/02/2012 11:04 AM

I don't understand why getting payed to have a cell tower on your place would be a valid reason to put your wife on the dole. Could you explain this further please?

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01/03/2012 3:41 PM

It's not the dole, but an incentive from the Gvt. to invest in superannuation for future benefits.

Her tax bracket is much lower than mine. If it is paid to me, then the Gvt. will get 50% back as income tax. If it's paid to my wife then they will get less than 5%.

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01/04/2012 1:11 AM

Australian taxation!!!!!! AAARGH!!!

Deeming provisions, income apportioning, pro rated CGT.....skid marked undy taxes.....

Find a really good accountant come tax lawyer mate.

.....then they'll change the rules.

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03/11/2012 5:21 PM

We have just received confirmation that our site has NOT been selected.

Thanks for the input. I consider this thread closed unless someone else needs to start from here.

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