Previous in Forum: What Are These Used For?   Next in Forum: Hot Water Heater Issues
Close
Close
Close
19 comments
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42294
Good Answers: 1662

Stoned on the Road

01/19/2012 6:38 PM

Arizona hasn't actually implemented its medical pot law. But, anyway............

Any thoughts?

Can smoking marijuana lead to a reduction in traffic deaths? (InsuranceQuotes.com)

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive ratings to make them "good answers".

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: South of Minot North Dakota
Posts: 8378
Good Answers: 774
#1

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/19/2012 7:18 PM

As a few former pothead buddies of mine have attested when you are high 5 MPH feels like 100+ so the odds are anyone who is lit is likely to be on the side of the road scared out of their wits because some old guy on bike just passed them!

Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8778
Good Answers: 376
#2

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/19/2012 7:33 PM

Isn't this just comparing two vices against each other (marijuana vs alcohol), in which case marijuana is shown to be safer than alcohol when talking about operating a motor vehicle (for obvious reasons).

Crack cocaine use is safer than suicide too, but it is hardly a solid practical argument.

__________________
jack of all trades
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
2
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Deepest Darkest Rutherford Oz
Posts: 951
Good Answers: 145
#3

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/19/2012 7:42 PM

Judging by the number of zombie commuters I have to deal with going to and from work I reckon it must be pretty prevalent in Oz already.

We've had a number of serious crashes and quite a number of fatalities as a result of the "offending" driver being ripped off their collective heads.

Recently 2 pedestrians were mowed down(died on the scene) on a footpath because the driver was stoned. Tried to drive off but they'd totalled the van.

Of course there has been a case of a Trucker so full of beans (speed/amphetamine)that they didn't realise they'd ploughed through 4 cars which were stopped at road works. He couldn't understand why the truck stopped....

So the short answer is any impairment to ones faculty either by alcohol or drugs is cause for concern especially getting behind the wheel of a vehicle.

__________________
There are two reasons for a man to do a thing, One that sounds good, and the real one...
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Popular Science - Biology - New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 3499
Good Answers: 144
#4

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/19/2012 8:56 PM

Interesting study.. they cite that 4/10 users were specifically smoking mj to reduce alcohol cravings. It's curious, that (they say) marijuana users are less likely to decide to drive when impaired. Whereas alcohol doesn't just mess with your reaction time, it also throws people's judgement about whether they are impaired.

The only real objection to legalizing marijuana, afaik, is that nobody can get a patent on it.

__________________
incus opella
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42294
Good Answers: 1662
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/19/2012 9:06 PM

I think it's a puritanical reaction to something that might have been seen as a threat to authority.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: at the beach in Florida
Posts: 31072
Good Answers: 1728
#8
In reply to #5

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/19/2012 10:11 PM

Yes I think you have reduced the problem to it's simplest terms...

__________________
Break a sweat everyday doing something you enjoy
Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Popular Science - Biology - New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 3499
Good Answers: 144
#12
In reply to #5

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/20/2012 12:08 PM

This may be true in some circles. But also consider the interests that are served by keeping it illegal.

Pharmaceutical companies (who surely fund political parties and candidates) stand to lose revenues. I'm surprised if the lawyers haven't taken the tack that the government is in breach of competition laws, to sue for their clients' legal right to the choice of treatment.

I read a definition of puritanism somewhere, as "the lurking, nagging fear that somebody, somewhere, is happy." The corporate citizen, on the other hand, is by definition strictly motivated by profit. Viagra for example is openly marketed as a recreational drug, which doesn't fit the puritan motif.

Of course, the industry is also now recognized as the major source of drugs of abuse - highly addictive and damaging substances. Compare the risk profile of marijuana, which is not only not addictive - according to the article you linked, people use it to manage alcohol addiction....

It's cheaper to produce and has fewer side effects than the medications which people are forced to choose for MS and other conditions... I reckon the pharmaceutical companies could be out a bundle.

__________________
incus opella
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42294
Good Answers: 1662
#13
In reply to #12

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/20/2012 12:52 PM

"I reckon the pharmaceutical companies could be out a bundle"

That is such a beautiful thought!

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: at the beach in Florida
Posts: 31072
Good Answers: 1728
#6

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/19/2012 9:15 PM

I think it has more to do with driving skill and personality, maturity, emotional stability...Some people are just bad drivers, some people don't maintain their vehicle properly, some people are just emotionally unstable, sometimes there is equipment failure....When one of the above is mixed with drugs or other conscious inhibiting substances, then the odds of an accident go up...and sometimes shiet just happens...I think a lot of irrational behavior is blamed on substance abuse, rather than the root cause, emotional instability or the inability to cope with life, poor social skills, undiagnosed medical or mental problems...I think too often people just point and say oh he's high, that's the problem, or oh she's drunk, that's the problem....The problem isn't the substances that are abused, it's the people...Making these substances illegal does nothing to solve the problem, in fact if you ask me, it just makes it worse...and denying medication to the sick just to make a point, is immoral and cruel...

__________________
Break a sweat everyday doing something you enjoy
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42294
Good Answers: 1662
#7
In reply to #6

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/19/2012 9:29 PM

Nobody will argue with you.

I guess the interesting thing is how else could the reduction be explained?

To quote Bread, "It don't matter to me".

Bread It Don't Matter to Me - YouTube

Register to Reply
Member

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Philippines
Posts: 5
#9

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/20/2012 6:53 AM

hehe..nice thread..

but i am still pro-weed!!!

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA, Florida
Posts: 1560
Good Answers: 125
#10

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/20/2012 10:46 AM

Dude !!!.......what ?

__________________
An obstacle is something you see when you take your eyes off the goal.
Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bristol, Tennessee
Posts: 1176
Good Answers: 57
#11

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/20/2012 11:31 AM

There's all kinds of weed, and all kinds of people. Some weed will make you paranoid; some people will mix weed and alcohol and other drugs. To me, the bottom line is don't drive impaired, get a designated driver and enjoy the ride.

__________________
mike k
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Electrical Construction

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mid Western USA - The Corn Belt
Posts: 1439
Good Answers: 58
#14

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/20/2012 1:55 PM

I have not been out "road loadin" in better than 35 years but........

Yea that's right "road loadin".....you know ..........burnin a mule, huffin the pixie, puffin the gonge, tanglin with jack, drivin with bud...........

anyway, probably best to leave the toys at home if your going to propel yourself at any rate of speed in a 3500 lb motorized box.

It would be great if we could get some input from Stinky Pete on this subject.

__________________
The first 5 days after a weekend are always the hardest................................
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Atchison Village
Posts: 383
Good Answers: 39
#15

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/20/2012 10:45 PM

California has had a medical pot law for many years, and the research indicates that there isn't a valid statistical link between medical marijuana usage and auto accidents. Texting, that's another matter. Further, actual medical users are switching to CBD-rich cannabis, which has less THC (gets you high)and more CBD (cannabidiol, makes you well, but not high). If you're going to talk about this, please learn what's current, not what happened in the Thirties or the Sixties. I'm a hypercritical driver and passenger, and my observations for high driving is that it isn't a significant factor in speeding or lack of perception or attention to the task at hand. I don't use myself, but am a care provider of several drivers who do use.

__________________
Align culture with nature...
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Deepest Darkest Rutherford Oz
Posts: 951
Good Answers: 145
#16

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/21/2012 2:18 AM

Of course there is this radio play (which I plagurised in High School(loooong time ago))

What's Rangoon to you is Grafton to me, by Russel Guy.

http://www.rumble.net/psychedelicatessen

Essentially the story of a man driving from Brisbane (in Oz) to Sydney (also in Oz) whilst under the influence of psychotropic drugs. Made all the more surreal by the narration of James Dibble (THE most respected newsreader in Oz at the time of the recording in 1978)

I'm not nor have I been a user of Marijuana, I've had people for fun "blow me out" with disasterous consequences. You know how aggro someone drinking (full strength)beer with over proof rum chasers can be? That's me after getting "blown out"... On the other hand Beer with op Rum chasers mellows me to the point where I need a nanny nap..

I'm not a "wowser" and if weed floats your boat that's cool with me but don't get behind the wheel of your car/truck/boat if your all scoobied up. That's just asking to share your grief with others who would rather you'd stayed at home.

__________________
There are two reasons for a man to do a thing, One that sounds good, and the real one...
Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#17

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/21/2012 9:06 AM

I lean toward the Libertarian view on this.

Prohibition of any kind is bound to fail, and creates profit driven, violent criminals where they need not exist. However, operating a motor vehicle under the influence of any mind altering substance should remain illegal and punishable.

Like KJK, 30+ years ago, I drove high daily...................................usually well under the speed limit.

Pretty much quit completely when I moved to northern CA in 89, and a couple of tokes of green bud at a social gathering would turn me into a speechless paranoid zombie, that couldn't move from the couch or chair I was sitting in...................not fun for me. Went back to just beer.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42294
Good Answers: 1662
#18
In reply to #17

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/21/2012 9:14 AM

They let you drive when you were 10? and smoke pot?

Man, you had liberal parents!

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#19
In reply to #18

Re: Stoned on the Road

01/21/2012 11:05 AM

I wish.

Started driving in 78.................smoking weed in about 76. Parents didn't have a clue............................or they did and didn't say anything, because my friends and I mellowed out and stopped building bombs and accidentally starting big fires.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 19 comments
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive ratings to make them "good answers".

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

artsmith (2); chic92 (1); jack of all trades (1); KJK/USA (1); kramarat (2); lyn (4); mike k (1); ormondotvos (1); SolarEagle (2); tcmtech (1); Tobugrynbak (2); WJMFIRE (1)

Previous in Forum: What Are These Used For?   Next in Forum: Hot Water Heater Issues

Advertisement