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Selecting Variable Speed Drive

02/15/2012 2:37 PM

Most of our voltages in our plant is 3 phase 220Volts.This is how it was designed.(don't know why).The problem is, it is a pain to get motors and VSD locally.One of our setups is a 220V VSD, 30Kw used on a 30kw 3 phase 220v motor.Is it possible to use a 415V VSD for this application.Note:Our supply voltage is 220V 3 phase.

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Re: Selecting Variable Speed Drive

02/15/2012 2:57 PM

Yes if it's designed to work on that voltage....The VFD's come in many different flavors...

http://www.entechsales.com/services/variable-frequency-drives/

http://www.matlockelectric.com/VFD.aspx

http://www.variablefrequencydrives.net/

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Re: Selecting Variable Speed Drive

02/15/2012 4:11 PM

I suspect finding 415V VFD's that will accept a 220V input supply may be more difficult than sourcing the 220V VFD's. They exist but most designs are to the specific voltage with a tolerance e.g. 200-220V +10% -15% or 380-480V +10% -15% so you cannot use a 400V on a 200V supply so easily.

Here in the UK, and in the EU, you can source 220V OK from stock normally (although it is not heavily stocked). In my experience, it's easier to get the 220v version than a VFD that will accept a 200-480V input range.

Also, since the motor current is based on the 220V level, if you can find a 200-480V type, it'll cost similar to a 400V 55kW so you will have a cost increase as well. also it may well be physically bigger and other matching components will be optimised to a 400V level supply so filters, chokes etc will all be compromised as well.

200V is also popular in USA and Asia - this also means that US and Japanese brands are better for 200V versions availability etc than some European suppliers.

I just checked availability and can source 30kW 200v from stock in my case, as I can most sizes up to this power. Comparatively, we have only one power that is 'standard' 200-480V supply straight in, some models I use can do this by setting battery operation etc but I imagine this may not be what you're looking for with the 'size-up and cost-up' implications involved?

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02/15/2012 4:18 PM

I've just seen you're in Oz so I suppose getting 200V is pretty simple because of asian influence, sorry I missed it!!

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02/15/2012 8:23 PM

VFDs are made in 3 (or 4) "Classes" of drive, based on the incoming power supply rating: 200V Class, which covers 200 - 240V supplies, 400V Class, which covers 380-480V supplies, and 600V Class, which usually covers 575-690V supplies (some mfrs have what they call a "500V Class" which covers 480-575V and then they don't have a 690V offering).

VFDs have a lower limit on the incoming voltage Class that is not likely to be deep enough to accept 220V on a 400V Class drive. The general rule is -20% of the lowest nominal voltage in a Class, so 400V Class drives will accept down to 300V input (-20% for a 380V supply). The reason is, you have to be able to power the internal electronics and the built-in power supply may not be able to deal with the extreme low voltage. There are exceptions to the rule however, so if you look around you will find a few that will accept down to 50% of their rated voltage.

As was mentioned, you also must select the drive based on CURRENT, not power, because at the lower voltage your relatve power rating increases. In addition, the power components (transistors, diodes, capacitors etc.) that go into a VFD are more expensive for a 400V Class drive than they are for a 200V Class drive, so your equivalent cost will be significantly higher. So for example if a 30kW 230V drive were to cost you 1000 quatloos, a 52kW 415V drive, which is the equivalent current rating, will likely cost you 1300 quatloos, maybe more, even though the current rating is the same.

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Re: Selecting Variable Speed Drive

02/16/2012 3:32 PM

Hi.

Schneider Electric ALTIVAR range for VSDs will cover 220 Volt supply for motors up 45 Kws. The VSDs are easy to program and support all industrial networks.

The use of 415Volt VSDs is not possible since the Dc bus will be about 320V which is lower than the DC bus Min value for 415V VSD.

You may also use 45 KW VSD then link other VSDs ia the DC bus assuming these drives operate in the same machinery.

Im more than happy to assist further . You may conatct me direct as well or i may get someone to contact as well.

You may use the link below for our contact information.

http://www.schneider-electric.com.au/sites/australia/en/general/contact/contact.page

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