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Busduct

02/28/2012 2:19 PM

Hi, I'm working now in a high rise building project and the electrical engineer is specifying a vertical busduct to distribute power in floors. As you know all floor penetrations must be plugged with a fire stop to hold smoke and fire to propagate to the upper floors. But in case of a fire the metal of the busduct also gets heated and would tramsmit this to the floors and would impose a risk. How do you prevent this? Isolating the duct every x floors with a switch? Apprecciate you comments.

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02/28/2012 2:45 PM

A fire barrier (provided by Bus Duct manufacturer) is placed where the duct travels between floors. They are rated in hours, and will be selected based on the Fire Code for your area.

Is this a perfect solution? Absolutely not. However we have not learned to design buildings that will not burn.

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02/28/2012 3:41 PM

Each bus duct mfr will have their floor / wall penetrantion systems only listed for fire ratings using a specific Fire Stop seal material, so it's crucial that you read and follow their instructions. A lot of people get burned by that (no pun intended).

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02/28/2012 10:09 PM

I've got to ask, are you qualified to undertake this sort of work?

To ask the question it wouldn't seem so.

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02/29/2012 2:09 AM

We all encounter first time problems to surmount.

OP did the right thing and asked. This will set him/her on the right track.

OP, as previously recommended talk to your busduct supplier to get their complete penetration solution.

OP will learn that vendors are an excellent source of free consultation and will put their nads on the line for a sale. Just get it all in writing.

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02/29/2012 8:42 AM

Dear threaders, I have posed the question to suppliers and am awaiting their reply. It seems to me (for the replies sent) that I did not set forth my question in a clear manner. The problem is not in the firestop (that is solved already); the problem is in the heating of the metal bar (current carrying) inside the busduct, that will transmit the heat from a fire up and "might" ignite something in the above floors if there's the threat. As you all know heat is one of the legs of the fire triangle.

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02/29/2012 4:55 PM

Dear aguilafede,

Perhaps my reply was not clear enough. The fire stop that is provided by the manufacturer of the bus duct for installation between floors is your only remedy. If that system fails, another floor becomes involved and perhaps the building is lost.

Installing a switch in your system to provide discontinuance during a fire will work if the method is UL Listed (or whatever listing agency has authority where you work) and is approved by the bus duct manufacturer. I know of no such approved system. Would a similar system be employed for the potable water and drainage pipes to mitigate thermal creep?

Incidentally, there is no such thing as a fire triangle. Many years ago it was discovered that a fourth component was required for fire to exist; the reaction of the other three. What we not have is a fire tetrahedron.

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02/29/2012 2:27 AM

You may try fire resistant busducts of compact and sandwitch design where fire stops are not needed. These are housed within a galvanised steel housing or extruded aluminium housing with epoxy compound powder coating.

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02/29/2012 4:29 AM

Most fire stop materials supplier have their fire stop design for busduct through penetration.

e.g. 3M and Hilti.

The fire stop design is not dependent of busduct manufacturer. You can use the design as long as the busduct is correct type and size.

Actually, there is no such fire resistant busduct in the world as there is no such recognized standard for busduct. Some manufacturers used some fire resistant tests for cable to cheat consultants and their customers. But the tests are actually not applicable to busduct, otherwises, you will find IEC issued related standard or test requirement.

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02/29/2012 9:46 AM

Don't understand your question....what do you mean by isolating the bus duct x floors with a switch?

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03/01/2012 9:00 AM

Thanks for replying. I think the question was answered clearly by WFMFIRE, heat will be transmitted also by steel water piping, HVAC ducts and other. So what remains to be done is to firestop all between floors penetrations.

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