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Structural Integrity on Metal Under Compression

03/05/2012 10:39 AM

I work for a bespoke pressure gauge manufacturer, some of which are sub-sea pressure gauges of varying designs. I have been asked a question to which i dont have an answer and cant seem to find any relating topic. The question being what effect does pressure acting upon both internal and external surfaces of the gauges bourdon tube have, the gauge design is of compensated type being used to a depth of 6000metres. The pressure scale of the gauge is 15000psi (tube internal pressure) and due to the compensated design there is roughly 600bar pressure being applied to the external face of the bourdon tube, what effect would the combined pressures have on the wall material of the tube under this compressional force?

The same scenario is also probable using 7bar gauge at this depth but highly unlikely.

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Re: Structural Integrity on Metal Under Compression

03/05/2012 10:49 AM

Well, the tube can only behave according to the difference in pressure between inside and outside, Guv. You work it out.

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Re: Structural Integrity on Metal Under Compression

03/05/2012 10:58 AM

we know the tube and workings are the same as if we are testing here in the factory but its the effect on the tube wall under compression at this depth from these 2 pressures that is required and what different effects it may have on the function of the tube.

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Re: Structural Integrity on Metal Under Compression

03/05/2012 11:05 AM

Come on, Uncle. Your mechanical engineers can work this out, surely?

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Re: Structural Integrity on Metal Under Compression

03/05/2012 11:47 AM

Is the bourdon tube exposed to sea water?

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Re: Structural Integrity on Metal Under Compression

03/06/2012 2:36 AM

the bourdon tube is not exposed to the sea water, the case of the gauge is filled with silicon oil, in the gauge is a back plate with a rolling type diaphragm fitted to it which transmits the ambient pressure to the inside of the gauge case and also the surface of the tube, this design fitted in conjunction with a compensated system, on R.O.V.s for example, is what gives the gauge its ability to be used at almost limitless depth. We have manufactured these gauge for over 20 years now with not a single failure but someone has posed the question of the material walls structural integrity in this operation.

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Re: Structural Integrity on Metal Under Compression

03/06/2012 7:38 AM

Why are you wasting time investigating a non-problem?

No exposure to harsh environment, no failures in 20 years, What's the problem?

The only failure mode that comes to mind is work hardening of the tube over time and this doesn't seem likely with the small amount of movement in this case.

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Re: Structural Integrity on Metal Under Compression

03/06/2012 7:54 AM

I completely agree with you but our customer has posed the question put to him by his customer who is allegedly an expert and reckons there is a potential issue? yet he wont provide me with any info to back up his concerns. I am just an employee doing what is asked of me to best of my ability, i have pretty much given up on this now as searching for info that doesnt seem to exist does my head in..

thanks anyway

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Re: Structural Integrity on Metal Under Compression

03/06/2012 8:10 AM

You have my sympathy.

This "expert" sounds like some insecure person who has the need to demonstrate his superior intellect.

Anybody who won't accept that much historical data that it's a non-problem isn't being realistic.

Good luck.

You might take a look on MatWeb for some help, or engineering toolbox.

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