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12V AC to 12V DC Relay?

03/08/2012 4:34 AM

i am doing an intercom system that runs on 12v ac, the lock release sent from intercom is therefore a 12v ac signal, however the door magnet and card reader i have is a 12v dc supply, is there a relay that can convert this 12v ac signal from intercom to 12v dc to work in conjinction with the door magnet/relay and the card reader allowing it to function correctly, if anyone has done this kind of installation before your experience will be greatly appreciated

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Re: 12v ac to 12v dc relay???

03/08/2012 4:48 AM
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03/08/2012 9:29 AM

Use a full wave bridge rectifier, not a relay.

Here is one I generally use; Radio Shack 276-1181.

This one works at 50 or 60 Hz.

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03/08/2012 1:10 PM

You have not fully described your quagmire; I will make some assumptions here, let me know if I am off.

Your intercom system is powered by 12v ac, by way of a plug in transformer. When you are ready to open the door for a guest, you push a button and it sends a 12v ac signal to the door.

Your card reader and door strike are powered by 12v dc and since these are stand alone devices, you don't have a power supply for them.

You are actually mixing elements of a security/access control system with an intercom system, something others frequently do, albeit with the technical know how.

The door strike is probably powered closed and fails open, so it needs a constant 12v dc power supply. Your card reader also needs constant 12v dc to work. As the others have said, use a bridge rectifier to provide that power from your 12v ac supply.

Your card reader should have a built in relay to interrupt power to the strike (normally closed contact), and should have external activation terminals (signal from intercom).

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03/08/2012 1:35 PM

WJMFIRE, you bring up a pretty good point: the rectified pulsed DC may not be suitable for the card reader. As you say, there are a number of things undefined.

This pulsed power is no trouble for a solenoid in a strike, but might present trouble for the electronics in the reader.

The true solution for this is to use a power supply with the correct filtered voltage output.

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03/08/2012 2:16 PM

Totally agree.

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03/08/2012 2:26 PM

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03/08/2012 2:46 PM

Well thank you for those kind words Doorman.

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03/14/2012 12:46 AM

Now I am confused. The OP stated that he had the DC Power Supply, this leaves me wondering if all he needs is a 12 volt AC relay with a set of dry contacts to route the DC to the card reader and door magnet.

I would think a fair sized electrolytic capacitor across the suggested bridge rectifier could solve the problem of the pulsed DC, as has been stated the number of undefined variables is problematic.

Since I know nothing about this system I guess I will ask the question. Am I wrong in thinking that there will be significantly more energy stored in a DC magnet, vs. AC? I'm just wondering if the discharging magnet could produce enough signal to cause popping in the audio system.

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03/14/2012 11:21 AM

"I'm just wondering if the discharging magnet could produce enough signal to cause popping in the audio system."

That is a common issue with electric door hardware, mostly with larger solenoids. A MOV will usually solve that particular issue satisfactorily. Simple, easy, effective, and inexensive.

As you say, the question is neither framed nor worded well.

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