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Active Voltage Regulator Test with "Solve Elec"

03/09/2012 2:56 PM

i thought this thing is for kids to play but with some peculiarities involved ... voila

The concept test F;q

and the partial app

// the graph drops down at 10 V DC ---------------_^

the thing can be utilized to limit output from Solar Cells
(the TEST's aim is the empty batteries draining device's
CMOS logic regulator ...)

the peculiarity here was that if i added a V.ref Diode to T2 E
it also wanted 1M resistor from E1+ to be able to compute

(this is just amazing ... (don't have a scope so i have to rely on such))

• so the point is the Buck converter can start up at about 380mV
but to opt the futhers it requires a control logic ***



(stuped test (for osc startup point))

(!) 380 mV -- seems to be the oscillator independent low-bound limit

i don't get it **the BJT-s can operate at nano amps (10-9A)

why the oscillations do not start below (!)

(( 400(mV) / 50(Ω) = 8(mA) that drops fast below 1mA (1000µA) but** ))

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Re: Active Voltage Regulator Test with "Solve Elec"

03/11/2012 3:01 PM

Without going in to any detail (someone else may), do not blindly trust the computer simulation or modeling software as it is only as good as the part models and data entered. If something doesn't seem right chances are the computer is wrong not you.

Again, without going into an analysis of your circuit what you are probably seeing are errors caused by idealised models of active, passive and power source components causing unrealistic results that diverge from known circuit theory and real world operation.

Another good real world learning exercise for your students.

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Precisely, sir!

03/11/2012 9:59 PM

The rushing "Real World" test seems to support the graph
... anyway it'sss below 10% efficiency (& it requires a fresh battery)
... ;T he logic however works :)- muhahaa

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Re: Precisely, sir!

03/11/2012 11:32 PM

anyway it'sss below 10% efficiency

Um, then why not just replace the whole lot with a zener regulator.

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03/11/2012 11:28 PM

The transformer "3-thread winded cable"
... the point is that i dont have equipment to dev. that stuff

the commercials are mostly 2(/3)-bat 3(/4V) parallel LED 1-s
(they will fail to drain 20 ... 30 % capacity of your batteries)

.. so if anyone finds interesting .. heres my 2 cents 2 reffer 2

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Muhahaa

03/16/2012 9:10 PM

It was soooo nuts to figure out what this thing CAN figure out (t.m. solve) >Xi Yo!

ENJOY THE SCIENCE

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Re: Test with "Solve Elec"

04/07/2012 4:53 PM

The next thing works in practise (TTL inverter chain) i used 3 for basic TTL generator

ssso can't measure the inductance (but i gess the next'll also work)

it's a band pass filter not the phase shifter (although it's a pheseshifter in some other schematic) - i don't have a scope nor Hi-frq measurement stuff - so i've to do such "modified generator" tests ...

... so anyway the TTL test

Circuit / i.Generator / i.Amplifier / AA Voltage

(shown 3 stage TTL RC osc) / 8.8 µA / 22.9 µA / 1162 mV

(shown 2 stage TTL LC one) / 2.7 µA / 1.2 µA / 582 mV -- it's RF and i can't too well measure it

IS THERE A FREE GRID SIMULATORS THAT CAN DO THE TRICK

/* it's really pointless to pay money first and then discover that
along with painting pretty pictures the simulator can't simulate a Sh.. XXX end over and out (<- there's just too many experience alike) */

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Re: Test with "Solve Elec"

05/26/2012 5:30 PM

self ask self answer

http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/

the LTspice a bit more capable than Solve Elec (not good for extensive variaation testing (is when you need to alter alot of parameters at fast rates - you have to run each setup - in separate and can't modify parameters at run time - makes it slow - if not useless as an inventing booster))

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