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Poor Power Factor When Using Generator

03/26/2012 11:39 PM

Hi all. As this is my first ever question to a forum, please be gentle.

We are using a 1250 KVA generator to supply a sports ground for major events to avoid prohibitively high peak charges from our supplier. Our supply contract is for 300KVA peak demand. We are leaving the mains breaker closed to allow for back-up from the grid in case of failure (contractually we have to have a back-up), but I need to find a way to get the power factor down. We are getting PFs of less than 0.6 during events according to our billing figures.

I am guessing that it's the use of the generator in this "peak-lopping mode" that causes the problem, any suggestions please?

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Re: Poor Power Factor When Using Generator

03/27/2012 7:44 AM

I'm a little bit confused by your description. Are you running the generator while connected to the power line? If so, it sounds like you are slightly out of sync (as in slightly out of phase) which should be something you could adjust.

Perhaps someone with more experience with feeding power back into the grid will have an answer for you.

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Re: Poor Power Factor When Using Generator

03/27/2012 8:23 AM

It's your KVAR off (IF it's the gen causing the low PF) and that will be your voltage regulator that needs adjustment or repair. What kind of AVR and Speed Regulator are you using?

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Re: Poor Power Factor When Using Generator

03/27/2012 1:18 PM

Two items....

First, a question - what do you expect your power factor to be (say from previous billings). I guess you have lagging power factor, say High pressure sodium lamps, rather than incandescent filament - which would be 1.0 or unity power factor.

Second, I guess your genset is set to operate at unity power factor - this will supply all your additional watts but will leave all the lagging power to be supplied by the Grid. Since the Grid is supplying only a small part of the watts, feeding much VARs or reactive power inherently results in a low power factor - if your genset supplied all the watts the Grid would supply just VARs at zero power factor.

The solution is to get your genset to work at say 0.9 power factor lagging. If it is capable of running at unity, it must have a power factor control. Commonly, P.F. controls have an adjustable setting, plus a digital input which forces it to unity power factor as well as PF control on/off (which is probably engaged automatically via a main load breaker auxiliary contact).

This needs delving into how your genset actually sequences its power factor control.

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03/27/2012 4:22 PM

Hi,

I would check first if the generator is in sync with the Grid.

Once you confrim that the generator and the grid are in sync then you may need to maesure the current drawn from the generator and also the the grid as they will load share.

If you can not achieve sync then you need to run the generator independently and measure the PF. If PF is good then AVAR is struggelling to maintain voltage during paralleling. You may use an Active harmonic filter operating PF mode,this will regulate PF to setpoint you set.

Hope this will help

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03/27/2012 11:22 PM

1) Just cofnirm if you are synchronising the DG with Grid.

2) The value of PF while DG running and DG not running.

3) What is the typr of load for which you need to run DG. Chekc KVAR before and after you run DG.

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03/28/2012 3:33 AM

We have a dual PF correction relay, which is spanish make. The relay will display the entire power and energy parameters with the class of accuracy of 0.5 and Harmonics spectrum of V&I up to 31st level and Bargraph display also there. RS-485 Helps to interface with PC.

You can use your existing PF control panel for DG set also to maintain the required Pf for your DG set operation.

I am sure, you will get highest efficiency and increase of Units per Litre.

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03/28/2012 10:19 AM

Fix a pf meter for each,the utility,genset and load and record the readings.

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03/29/2012 1:32 PM

This is a substantial difference between the contract supply (300KVA) and the use of a 1250KVA generator. I presume your load during events is up in the 1000KVA range. By leaving the mains breaker closed, it is also presumed that your contract will not tolerate a momentary outage during events.

Have you considered the economies of scale of having a second generator or UPS (for backup) versus the cost of high peak charges from the supplier to satisfy the "have to have a backup" contract?

Depending on the frequecy of events (once a week, once a month) you may also want to consider leasing a second generator for backup.

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03/29/2012 1:47 PM
  1. Is the original "poster" Salty Seal still there?
  2. Any more information to give us?
  3. Did any answers help?

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03/29/2012 2:53 PM

Many thanks for the help and info. I've been parted from my desk & computer for a few days, so have been unable to reply until now.

I spent some time talking to the generator supplier and our energy consultant (who identified the problem), and it appears that the generator was poorly set up and all control was done in manual (badly). The advice regarding KVArs was on the button. We have now arranged for better set up and control.

I repeat, many thanks for the help - itsaved me some considerable time and grief.

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03/29/2012 6:55 PM

GOOD, keep us posted on how the re-setup of your NOT Automatic VR goes, with the cubic flux effect they are a lot harder to set up than Speed Regulators, why yours was put in manual, the KISS way and if you weren't on a grid it would have maybe worked. now back to the Decorah Eagles, third egg going to hatch

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Re: Poor Power Factor When Using Generator

05/15/2012 5:59 AM

hello salty , we face same problem we use 1250kva and we have same supply contract our genset fp is up and down and the end shutdown have the burn exciter diod then we fix it , and we desided to use 2unit of step up transformer input @ 415acv @ 200kva output is 33kv and the second TR 33kv input @ 415acv output. this we in one villeges about 2oo houses or more, hope this wiil give you the idea how to solve your problem !!!

warning always protect your machine !!!

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