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Surge Vessel Precharge Pressure

04/26/2012 3:51 AM

Hi guys,

We have running water supply project in GCC included 6 pump stations and 6 nos surge vessel bladder type. Further to surge designer report the pre-charge pressure should be 7.5 bar, 17 bar, 22, 24, and 30 bar.

Is there any limitation for precharge pressure and why?

How to reduce this pressure?

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Re: Surge vessel precharge pressure

04/26/2012 3:55 AM

<...GCC...>

Wha'?

<...Is there any limitation for precharge pressure and why?...>

The structural design of the vessels?

<...How to reduce this pressure?...>

Bleed some of the precharge from them?

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Re: Surge vessel precharge pressure

04/26/2012 4:17 AM

Are each station working at a different pressure?. What are the required pressure of each station including pump start/stop(cut in/cut off) pressure?. Are the rubber bladders and tanks rated for those pressures?.

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04/26/2012 7:31 AM

What did the vendor recommend when you contacted them ?

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Re: Surge Vessel Precharge Pressure

04/26/2012 11:20 AM

I've only done a handful of surge tank designs, but a 30 bar preload surprised me. I'm curious, what type of water supply application is this?

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Re: Surge Vessel Precharge Pressure

04/26/2012 3:39 PM

Precharge pressure depends on the working pressure of the system. Normally precharge to ~ 1/2 the absolute working pressure. Then when the surge vessel sees system pressure the air compresses to 1/2 the vessel volume and you have 1/2 water, 1/2 air in the vessel, usually about right to handle higher and lower pressure fluctuations.

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04/26/2012 10:56 PM

Does it(air pressure) have any relationship to the cut-in pressure?. We charge with nitrogen instead of air as air in contact with moisture will corrode the interior of the vessel.

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04/27/2012 11:13 AM

Yes, you want the cut-in pressure to be above the pre-charge pressure. Then as the system pressure slowly falls, the pump restarts before all the water has left the vessel. If the cut-in pressure is lower, when all the water has left the vessel the pressure falls rapidly to cut-in point, and when the pump starts there is no surge protection till pre-charge pressure is reached, potentially causing water hammer.

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Re: Surge Vessel Precharge Pressure

04/26/2012 10:52 PM

Hi Ali

1. The initial pressure would depends on the final volume of air that you want it to be in the surge vessel. You can use following equation

Po = P x (V/Vo)

where, Po is the initial pressure, P is the normal operating pressure V stands for volume of air and V/Vo is the ratio of final volume to that initial volume of air inside the surge vessel. Vo = volume of surge vessel.

2. Let say if you want the air final volume to be 1/2 of initial volume (V/Vo = 0.5) than Po = 0.5P. If the final volume is 1/4 (V/Vo = 0.25, water 3/4 full) then Po = 0.25P

3. The above equation is derived from the universal gas law PV=nRT. Since nRT are all constants, pressure is a function of volume only.

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Re: Surge Vessel Precharge Pressure

04/30/2012 11:34 AM

Project water supply to top of mountain including 5 nos pump station with 2+1 high pressure pumps with FLOW 52 LPS as below Head. DI pipe line by length of almost 21 km

1- no.1 pump station Head 174 mtr

2- 351 mtr

3- 348

4- 411

5- 356

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