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Concreting of RC Column

05/11/2012 9:34 AM

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Why is it that the termination of concrete in a column is at slab. Why not in the middle some shear diagrams on a column are zero shear @ middle.

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Re: Concreting of RC Column

05/11/2012 11:22 AM

It would be expensive and pointless and ugly to make a day joint in the middle of a column, nothing would be gained, formwork would be more expensive and construction would be slowed down.

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05/14/2012 11:58 PM

Hey there passingtongreen! I know where you're at down there in PA, and I can't believe that I never noticed that before. You're right off and to the north of US 1, and not all that far from the Brandywine Creek (and Battlefield), Chadds Ford, and Longwood Gardens! Kennett Square and Chester Heights too, come to think of it.

I used to go down through that area at least 3 times a year to visit my now x-wife's sister and hubby who lived in Avondale PA, to the west of you a piece on PA Route 41 (?) ......THE Mushroom Capital (and migrant workers capital) of PA! The place reeks of manure all summer long.... LOL I've even been through Glen mills once, to some BBQ joint there! My former Bro-in-Law dragged me there one evening when he got the "Texas Munchies" as he called them!!!! It's a place he frequented a lot because it reminded him of a good TX BBQ when they lived in Houston. Anyhow, it's been a while since going there (about 15 years ago),e so I can't remember the name of the place for the life of me.

Small world, eh!?

ps: racked my gray matter very hard thinking about the name of that BBQ place in or very near Glens Mills. Was it or is it called the "Pig-out BBQ", or "Piggie BBQ Pit", or something like that? It's been a long long time........ ***GRINZ***

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Re: Concreting of RC Column

05/12/2012 3:28 AM

Dear friend. concrete is anyway not supposed to bear any tensile load. If we make joint in middle of column we can not avoid the slab joint practically. If water proofing is not biggest concern we should not worry about concretng joints. U will realize practical problems when u work some year in construction industry. p g

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05/12/2012 10:55 AM

passingtongreen is very correct with his comments, and I agree with them wholeheartedly. GA for my Bud!


Design Shear is not the only factor that must be considered when designing a reinforced concrete column. If the concrete frame of a building is designed to withstand earthquake and wind loadings, then there is a high probability (depending on the magnitude of the quake of wind loads) that the applied Design Bending Moments (Mu) due to those loads will be present throughout, and they will occur not only at the top and bottom of the column @ each story but in the middle of the column. Where, the "Inflection Points" of the Moment Diagram, where Mu = zero, will occur above and below the column mid-height. There will be Negative Mu at the top and bottom of the columns as well as the Positive Mu present at the column mid-height.....where we find the shear forces at the mid-height will be close to zero, whereas they will be maximum at the floor slabs.....because normally the column will be designed for "FIXITY" at it's base as well as it's crown. Placing a construction/cold joint at mid-height of a column is a very bad idea because there would be no continuity of the "transformed section", and the column would only be relying on the steel rebar and not the interaction between the concrete and the rebar to withstand the applied Bending Moment (Mu).

According to the ACI 318 Standard here in the USA, all columns are subjected to at least a minimum prescribed eccentricity (in each column axis) which would induce Bending Moments in the column. In many cases, there will be Bi-Axial Design Bending Moments, Bi-Axial Design Eccentricities, and Bi-Axiual Design P-Delta loads present, not just Design Shear Forces.

[Additionally, don't forget P-Delta Effects, as mentioned directly above, that are induced into the building frame. These too induce Bending Moments......no column is ever perfectly plumb, because there are inducted eccentricities due to the construction tolerances. I don't care how good a concrete contractor is, no one can build a concrete building to absolute zero deviation of plumb].

The reason that construction joints occur at the column-slab interface is that the lateral shear forces are easier to withstand because of the abundance of steel reinforcement located there, if designed correctly and in accordance with the concrete design codes (no matter where you are located in the world).....and in the case of a cold joint, the steel (if properly designed) is fully capable withstanding the shear forces alone, in necessary. Obviously, it is never a good idea to ever produce a cold joint whenever possible, because we'd like to see a homogeneous concrete placement throughout, and thus a resulting high degree of continuity and structural integrity.

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05/12/2012 4:45 PM

Shear may, or may not, be minimum at it's ''middle'', but ''moment'' may well not, depending upon loading conditions. Continuity, ''Stiffness'', radius-of-gyration, etc., need to be appropriately accounted for, in any case.

But most importantly, terminating a column at it's ''middle'' would transform it to conditions of a (rotated) connection between two cantilever beams, one upwards from the floor, and one downward from the ceiling, greatly weakening the capacity for supporting an axial load, (which is the fundamental function of a column...) and inflict greater project costs on the client, in order to add additionally necessary stiffness to said column...

Good luck with the rest of your homework...

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05/13/2012 11:45 AM

Yes Mr. Guest, you are correct. I didn't get into the facts like your did. Thanks!

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05/14/2012 11:00 PM

You are quite welcome.

On the one hand, I'm glad I could contribute, but on the other hand, the OP apparently has failed to check back to see how we responded to (his/her/their/other) original question, and that non-response/dis-interest is singularly un-welcome by myself...

For the record, I would be quite willing to respond to serious questions about homework, but only if the OP's were ''up-front'' about asking for help with homework in the first place, and then indicate that they at least tried to read my/our responses to said questions ( it's a lot to ask, I know...)

So, I would like to (award ?) the OP of this thread with one ''lead weight'' for wasting our time and effort, to basically say to ''go fish'' somewhere else...

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Re: Concreting of RC Column

06/05/2012 12:51 AM

after the slab has tempered, it's considerd to be a structural component that normally adds to the strength to the superstructure.

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