Broken Pool Pump

For got to mention,its a Hayward pool pump

Is this a different pump?

The pump is Hayward. What's the brand of the pump motor? Hayward doesn't make motors.

You could have a buildup of something on the brush contact plates on the rotor...I would pull out the brushes and get a good little flashlight and check the copper plates while turning the shaft and spray with contact cleaner....but it's just a guess....do you have an amp meter? If so I would check the amp draw to see if there is any fluctuation and what the reading is...Does the motor appear to be running at full speed?

Yes its the same motor. I just though of something. This is for an in ground pool. And i have it ABOVE the water about 6 feet. So the LIFT might be too much for it. on an in ground pool the Lift is only about 1 foot. ....This motor came with the Hayward pump. I will lower the pump tomorrow. I hope that is the problem. I cant see any screw caps where the brushes would be.I dont think it has brushes.

tks guys

John

These pumps are capable of at least 10' lift, so I don't think that is an issue...

I would have to respectfully disagree; there are differences in pumps designed to be used with above ground pools, and in-ground pools. I think he may be correct in his assumption of having the pump too high for proper operation. My $.02 worth.

Tom D.

This is either a 1 or 1 1/2 HP pump, depending on which thread you are reading.

A centrifugal pump of 1 HP will have the same capacity regardless if its application, if it is pumping water.

There is a practical lift limit, but I don't think OP is there.

Did you remove the filter?

On some of these pumps the filter is an integral part of the system and needs to be in place to maintain proper suction and discharge.

Filter is in place.The pump is complete. and I think that the springs are ok just a little rust on them but working. Today Im going to see if it has brushes.I don't remember seeing the brush caps,to replace brushes.

John

Keep track of your hours. It's not going to take too long to hit the land of diminishing returns. I've been there/done that more times than I can count.

http://www.123ponds.com/pond-pumps-waterfall-pumps-calpump-calpump-aluminum-fountain-pumps.html

I don't think you will find any brushes in the motor as you mention earlier that it is an AC motor pump, AC motor do not have brushes right? It is just a rotor floating on a stator.

Just sharing my idea

It may or may not have brushes, there are many different designs for both AC and DC...

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/12.html

not for pool pump motors made by Hayward

Is there a nameplate on the motor?

Model #?

Hayward doesn't make motors.

The spring-loaded contact points are a centrifugal switch, disengaging the start winding when the motor comes up to speed. The fact that you are hearing a clicking noise suggests to me that this is not functioning properly. I have seen cases with brand new pumps having these switches stuck.

If it were the thermal cut out causing the problem, the motor would most likely die and not start again until things cooled off. These are generally bimetallic switches that deform and break the circuit when they get too hot. I have never met one that "chattered"- most common failure is failed open (or broken case).

Another possibility is the bearings, given the age of the motor and the fact that it has been sitting unused for so long. The bearings are sealed ball bearings, and it is possible that the lubricant has degraded. As they heat up, they loosen up and start chattering. It owuld be nice to have a sound recording of the noise that concerns you in order to do further analysis.

Any leaks when the pump starts making noise? The impeller is likely running on a ceramic shaft seal- the clicking noise could be indicative of a broken ceramic insert. If this is damaged, water will start running out between the motor and the pump.

One of the best suggestions from others is to monitor the current draw during operation, and comparing this to the nameplate value.

I have to agree with cwarner on this one. To me it appears that the bearings are shot due to loss of lubricant because the pumps sat 10 years or so. Also, if this is the case the steel bearing may have become corroded...

After all of this work you may be better off buying a new Hayward pool pump, and they ain't cheap!

BTW, I have a spare on sitting out back w/ a filter....wanna buy it cheap? $75 +shipping and it's yours. LOL Yuppers, it worked the last time I tried it....

the water pump is working good !!! the clicking that you heard must be you (taguer stop watch) heheheheh , ok here is the solution about that problem , pls disasseble the motor then clean it with the WD40 on the bearing put new greas on it !! that must be the cause of cliking sound oki doc be safe with eletric shock

incase of emergency call 911!!!