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DC Crane Coils

06/09/2012 9:28 PM

Here's a thought for anyone interested. I have a 350 ton DC controlled crane hoist motor. Has anyone ever thought of or come up with a way to look at the coil health in some form as it was in operation? Analog is a beast to work with and then add 250 volt DC and it gets to be fun as well. If I were using a controller this would not be an issue. But, given the fact it is an old crane - well there you go.

Reason I ask is we had a ladle come down in 1st point the other day. Found the coil to the 1st point lower contacts welded. Bad things happen when this happens.

Just thought I would pass this along and see what comes up. I have several ideas on how to set-up a watch dog system. Not easy, but it could be done.

Have fun with this one.

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Re: DC Crane Coils

06/09/2012 10:04 PM

An IR sensitive video will detect problems....

http://www.flir.com/thermography/americas/us/

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Re: DC Crane Coils

06/10/2012 12:30 AM

Place two contactors in series with a safety relay monitoring the contacts. Incorporate basic alarms for fault identification and your good to go.

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06/10/2012 7:45 AM

Biggest thing that happens to coils is that assuming they don't get hit with something external (especially overvoltage), the insulation becomes the ultimate limit on their life. At voltages over 2000 volts, you can monitor the PD around the coil. At lower voltages, it is difficult at best to detect insulation degradation. There are lots of folks talking about megger (insulation resistance) but this has been shown to indicate CURRENT status of the coil (mostly contamination) but it is NOT predictive. Also another test that is popular is to check inductance or impedance or something else that gives you an indication of turn-to-turn ratio but these are not very sensitive and once you develop an inter-turn failure (due to failed insulation), it rapidly progresses to failure within a short period of time (minutes/hours). This is also the only time you'll see hot spots with IR.

As to the relay or contactor contact tips which is what you were actually asking about, in an old crane as you described, these take a heavy beating and are constantly cycled, much more than pretty much any other application. I've had lots of experience with hot metal cranes. First, you need to be inspecting the contact tips for wear on a very frequent schedule. We were doing it at least every other week. You actually need to inspect the whole contactor. Be especially wary of wear or warping of the mechanism itself and not just the contact tips (which guys don't usually pay attention to). Also pay attention to the pole face coil (if it has one) is intact because this leads to accelerated wear. All contactors have both an ELECTRICAL and a MECHANICAL rating in terms of number of cycles. Although you may set up a different schedule based on experience, outright changing out the whole contactor when it reaches its mechanical life is a good strategy because it's hard to properly inspect the springs, structural issues, etc., with any high degree of certainty. And in a crane of course the first point contactor sees the brunt of it.

Obviously replacing all of that stuff with a modern drive and AC motors will drastically improve your reliability and cut your maintenance costs to the point where the maintenance cost alone justifies the cost of replacing the motor and drive if you keep track of how much money your are spending on it and you are following industry standards with regards to inspection of both.

Finally, althouugh the suggestion about doubling the number of contactors/relays sounds OK, from a monetary point of view it is not practical. The cost of putting in that many contactors aside from physically having enough space usually hits the point where you can replace the motor with AC and a drive. Also BTW, use a thermoelectric cooler if you need an AC unit for the drive. No freon and no compressor=lasts much longer. I have an alternative route. Within the space constraints that you have, go big. If you look for "safety contactors" there are these beasts with "nonweldable contacts". The way that they work is that first, they use a "force guided relay" which is an overhung cam system that does not rely on springs for holding position, and more importantly, the contacts are roughly 10 times bigger than they need to be so that wear on them is very low, and finally, the relay has two pairs of contacts in series with auxiliary contacts to detect if one set welds in place. You can freely steal any ideas from this design and the most obvious, easy one is to increase the size of the contact tips because the bigger it gets, the cooler the contact tips will run and the longer they last.

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06/10/2012 2:05 PM

paulengr. your comments are right on the money. I have looked at all of the suggestion you have made. These cranes are massive as you can imagine. The room or spare room for relays is at a min, most of the crane space is used up in resistor banks etc., as there are 2 hoist on each crane. But, it is fun to see what others may think of the condition and getting input does sometimes open other avenues and possibilities.

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06/11/2012 12:28 AM

Hi!

paulengr is your man..

Cheers,

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Re: DC Crane Coils

06/10/2012 11:44 PM

What was the condition of the contacts, were they well worn but serviceable? Has the Dynamic Braking circuit been checked because it seems that an increase in load has been introduced during a specific function or the quality of the contact tips has made this possible from poor quality causing overheat or the ground is not properly passing power through circuit causing contact tips to overheat to melting point. I not sure what a watch dog system would do unless your going to run another contact in tandem and cancel out first circuit in failure episode. This system you have sounds like it has been around as long as my mother in laws hairdo and I don't think the answer is necessarily the additions you want to make , but it cant hurt.

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Re: DC Crane Coils

06/11/2012 1:51 AM

See PaulEngr comment. Well done.

I have seen a number of contactors fail on the mechanical life cycle. Everything from pivot points failing to bus bar pieces developing stress cracks and eventually falling apart.

I have recently been involved with several dockside cranes. On one crane we kept the DC machines and put in new digital DC regen drives (lowest cost). On two others cranes we replaced the DC drives with regen AC drives (ore loading and unloading has a lot of grit in the air and "grinds the commutators down" so AC TEFC gives superior life).

The power savings with the regenerative drives (versus burning up the lowering and stopping energy in DB resistor grids) paid for the drives in about 2 years. These are special AC drives - cheap ones still burn up the lowering energy and stopping energy in DB grids). Some manufacturers will supply a special front end with low harmonic content and power factor correction -- again more $.

Many power authorities or government agencies also have incentive programs in place to help finance or partially pay for the efficiency upgrades.

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06/11/2012 7:55 AM

You say it is a DC "controlled" crane.

I'm assuming the drive is DC. If it's a Ward Leonard system have a look at the suicide and reverse shunts. It's the shunt that should stop the load, the brake is your back up. OK once the load is at rest the brake holds it.

The systems I've worked on had two brakes, a working brake and an emergency brake.

Here's a picture of the little babies (only 170 ton) I worked on. You can see the motor generator set on the platform overhang.

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06/12/2012 6:44 PM

All good responses to my question. Thanks to all. We currently inspect these units 2-3 times per month. Could we have missed something possibly, but I don't think so given the failure node we found. The coil shorted through the center lug mount to the flat washer it is held in position with. Seems it had some vibrations that caused the issue. The contact tips take a beating very hour. We use the best materials out there for these units for that reason. But, Like I said, it is an old crane and with it's sister unit runs 24-7 365 days a week. Can't ask for more out of them then we do.

As far as the two brakes, all hot metal handling crane in the USA are required to have duel brake systems. But if you fail hot, the coils are going to hold the brake open. Operator did the best he could do in holding it in reverse up 1st point. Burnt the resistors bank out by the time it stop. But, did not spill a drop.

Have a good day and if you think of something else jot it down.

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