A System to Increase Sea Evaporation

dare I suggest a 3rd alternative: it could be about right, no? GA for using 'hubristic' - maybe CR4 could add that button.

Ga, I have to agree with you.

You do have an intriguing idea but I think I see the fundamental flaw in your thought experiment.

By taking some of the mechanical energy present in the wind, you will increase the rate of water evaporation at the site of this machine. However, the area of your machine will be insignificant to the area of the ocean or even the ocean area that your wind travelled across. Thus the net result of water added to the atmosphere to make rain later will be negligible.

Oh! you are calculating only 2 dimensions, but my proposal is for 3 !

The heigher the pipe will be, more volume of atmosphere will be integrated.

If we could convert all the waves energy to lift water to a hight of few m', I'll be very happy!.

Btw-I didn't tell you, the idea is mine, but I have a partner except of

Prof. Rosenfeld .So the idea was carefully examined.

The surface boundary between any three dimensional objects is two dimensional. Actually the boundary intercept of any two N dimensional domains must be N-1 dimensions. Now depending on the coordinate system one is using or that can readily describe this boundary intercept (that's the wrong mathematical term, but I believe the meaning is clear) there may not be a simple row or matrix column reduction, but I digress.

The boundary between liquid (water) and gas (vapour) will always be a two dimensional area. Regardless of this being calm ocean waters, a choppy sea, or the myriad of drops formed by a waterspout.

I'm afraid that my 3 dimension limites:

Language,education and age do not help me to understand your 2 dimensions...

But, I try to understand what you said through my own question:

If we spray water droplets in the air, there will be no more evaporation compared to calm sea?

There will be more but I expect not a lot more. I expect that the added water will be difficult to measure.

Just hang around for a few hundred more years and the ocean may be boiling on its own.

Very complete description. GA

I think that people who live in the northern countries were in winter is snow, and rain in summer, don't really associate rain with winter time, like in Israel,and many,many other and much bigger countries.

You have to understand that in the case of the middle east, the problem lies in the fact that the Mediterranean sea is a small sea surrounded by land, so there can't be enough evaporation there for al the land around.

The problem of the east pacific ocean, were Peru and Chile are, is that the water's temperature is low, and less evaporation, for the same reason- El nino results of the phenomea of warmer ocean water, that is followed by rain in the arid land of west south America.

There is a further problem, if you atomize the water there will be a larger interface and some evaporation will be forced. The downside is that this phase change demands energy, it obtains it by lowering the energy/temperature of the droplets that do not evaporate, it reduces 80 molecules in the droplets by one degree for each molecule evaporated.

" If the clouds do cross over a hot desert, the heat causes the droplets to evaporate again (hotter air holds more water)."
If we are to control nature, we must first be able understand and describe it. Hotter air does not hold more water. In fact, air doesn't hold water at all. The evaporation and condensation process is independent of air. It would happen the same way in any gas or even in a vacuum. All that matters is the partial pressure of water vapor. We get the wrong impression by listening to meteorologists who should know better.

Actually the vapor pressure of water at saturation is slightly higher in air than in pure water.

"Actually the vapor pressure of water at saturation is slightly higher in air than in pure water."
And your homework assignment is to explain why.

well said and funny! GA & a beer @ the alien bar in Minot for you, sir.

I have always been amazed by how incredibly large the energy levels are in the regular actions and efforts of our planets Eco systems when compared to what us humans are capable of doing and by what we think of as being a big effort or expenditure of energy.

The worlds largest water pump can move around 150,000 gallons a second but to equal the average evaporated volumes of water nature moves daily it would take around 265,000 or more of those, with a price tag of some $500 million each, running flat out 24/7/365!

http://gizmodo.com/5340238/worlds-biggest-water-pump-under-construction-in-new-orleans-wouldve-been-cooler-four-years-ago

We have too much rain some places, and not enough in others. Why not use the wave energy to pump water to water the crops in Israel, and leave the rest of the world alone? You have enough enemies without giving other countries cause for legal action or worse.

Already invented, but the scale needed is a non starter.

http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/17/searaser-device-uses-waves-to-pump-sea-water-uphill-could-be-huge-boost-for-hydro-power/

Milo

I guess that my ignorance [lack of any formal high education] and my age 74,do not allow me to understand the conection between my idea for enriching the air with humidity, and the waves driven pump.

O yes, in both cases the power source are the waves!...

As the photo shows, the water can be sprayed into the air.

Milo

and then?

Perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with the initial premise of your post: "The idea is a method to increase the evaporation of ocean water, in order to increase air humidity, so when it will meet cold air- it will create rain." sorry to bother you with my responses. Milo

In fact I expected that this will be your answer, and the answer that I prepared is the following;

I'm just trying to imitate what mother nature has done, I guess that not only at the Israel's Mediteranean sea cost are such natural phenomea, probably God himself patented it, now this must be followed by a profound research, otherwise it will remain just a nice idea!...