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Overload Relay

07/02/2012 9:26 AM

Our 3RU11 overload relay has trip class of 10 at7.2 x Ir. which means I2t=k .the relay range is 3 to 9A. i have set relay at 6A. so it means . (7.2 x 6)2 x 10= k , or t = (7.2 x 7.2x36x10)/ I2 , when i test the relay using current injection .the trip time at 7A current was much greateR than calculated using above formula . is my foRmula correct ?

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Re: Overload Relay

07/02/2012 11:03 AM

The 3RU11 overload relays are designed inaccordance with trip class 10, i.e. trips in less than 10 seconds at 6 times the trip current setting (FLA).

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07/02/2012 11:47 AM

It is not always the so called 6 times . for siemens it is 7.2 times set value. is my formula correct ?

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07/02/2012 3:29 PM

I think what you are doing is calculating the top end of the curve using the I2t formula. It doesn't work that way.

The IEC 60947-4-1 formula is simply that for Class 10, it will trip in between 4 and 10 seconds at 7.2X Ie, with Ie being the Set Current, and is based upon a COLD relay.

So if you set the current at 6.0A and inject 43.2A, it will trip in not more than 10 seconds, but not less than 4 seconds. Then if you want to determine the trip time at some value less than that, you plot an I2t curve with the other end of the curve being 1.05X Ie as the "not trip" value. So the issue is, you don't start the curve by squaring the current setting, you CREATE the curve FROM that fixed point ON the curve and only look at the points BELOW it. Did that make sense?

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This is an example of the difference in IEC vs NEMA trip curves by the way. IEC says 7.2X at a cold state, NEMA says 6.0X at a warm state. IEC then goes on to say that in a warm (operating) state, the trip values WILL BE reduced to as low as 25%. So it CAN BE as low as 1.8X. NEMA makes no such allowances but assumes there is no point in calculating a protection device trip time in a cold state because that will never happen. However in a warm state, the pickup point of the curve is generally 1.25X, which is higher than the IEC lowest point. This is because both curves are based on typical motor thermal damage curves. NEMA designed motors are much more robust than IEC designed motors. When IEC component mfrs apply for UL listings, UL acknowledges that a lower trip value from an IEC device will mot harm the motor, and when the IEC mfrs test at 6X from a warm state, they always pass because they trip faster than the NEMA curves.

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07/02/2012 6:53 PM

So not knowing the design specifications of the motor are we then always safe setting the top of the curve at 6x FLA?

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07/02/2012 9:12 PM

I think so.

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