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Drawing of Different Scales.

08/01/2012 5:37 AM

I have one autocad drawing with a scale of 1:1000 and another autocad drawing with a scale of 1:2500. I would like to combine these two drawings to one scale. How should it be done in AUTOCAD?

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08/01/2012 6:56 AM

I've never understood why there is any need to scale CAD drawings.
Surely the whole point of a computer is that it can crunch the numbers regardless of the physical size they represent.
There should only ever be a need to scale it for printing off a hard copy (you can zoom in or out on a display).
Or am I thinking too far out of the box?
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08/01/2012 7:18 AM

That maybe just what he got. Sent to him so that he could print it out.

What you think modify both to 1:1 make the combination. And work with that.

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08/01/2012 7:21 AM

Big Questions for ya: #1. Are these AutoCAD drawings hard copies? #2. Also, are these drawings in your computer, and are they in either PAPER SPACE or MODEL SPACE?

You do know that the "scale" command exists, do you? Do a search in the AutoCAD "Help" section.....

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08/01/2012 7:37 AM

If you scale your CAD drawing and look at it on a large screen will it be the same as on a small screen? Also if you then print it off on A4 paper is it the same as A3? Surely if you have a CAD drawing the actual dimensions should be there and no scaling is required.

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08/01/2012 8:01 AM

How have you come to be in this situation ?

Does the resulting morph need to be something that you can work on further with the software that you have ?

Are the drawings going to be overlays, or adjacent ?

Have you searched whatever help fascility exists in AUTOCAD ?

Explain this a little more. I can't help you, but others may take the time to do so with a little more detail. When explaining a problem, it's very easy to leave out detail that is 'obvious' to yourself but not to others. 'If you can't find the solution, it's because you don't understand the problem'. That is a bit cliched, but worth bearing in mind.

As with many threads on CR4, my interest here is to see if a solution can be found. One day I might find myself pondering a similar problem. Somebody will 'fixya' (play on language and name of a popular website).

All I can offer is to look right of screen for "Search all of CR4", enter a parameter such as AUTOCAD and see what you find.

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08/01/2012 10:20 AM

AutoDesk has excellent on-line help.

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08/02/2012 1:11 AM

Wow, I'm really surprised at some of the comments. It's like you don't understand the reason for having different scales. It has to do with sheet size for printing. A standard A0 drawing format is roughly 48" x 33". If you're designing a toaster, you can fit the various views of that toaster inside the format at full scale 1:1. If your designing a bridge well then...you need to scale your views to fit inside the format!! Get it?

Mr. Ravi you need to first change the scale of one drawing to match the other one. You can then copy the view from one drawing to the other. This way your geometry will be correct. I'm assuming this was your issue and not how to change the scale of a view.

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08/02/2012 2:27 AM

"Wow, I'm really surprised at some of the comments. It's like you don't understand the reason for having different scales."

In CAD programs, the usual convention is that you draw any object as 1:1 Full Scale. i.e. if something is 1 meter then you draw an object that is 1000mm (1M).

Scales are then used to (as you stated) to "Print" the drawing or to create a "Layout", where you may want to display a large object (say a car), as well as having an inset of a small pert (a door handle). To be able see the detail of both you would set each part of the layout at different scales to achieve this.

To answer the original question...

You could open one drawing, then insert a "block" (i.e. the other .dwg file). When you insert a block you get to specify the scale at which to insert. you would need to work out the fractoin of the original to the 2nd dwg..

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08/02/2012 11:27 AM

"In CAD programs, the usual convention is that you draw any object as 1:1 Full Scale. i.e. if something is 1 meter then you draw an object that is 1000mm (1M)."

I'm somewhat familiar with CAD programs. I was refering to "VIEW" scaling and not "GEOMETRY" scaling. There's a big difference. I can't imagine anyone drawing or modeling a 1000mm part at 500mm just because they want to show it half scale (1:2) on a drawing. That's insane. Nobody does that..or at least nobody should! All CAD packages have view scaling capability to allow the user to fit their views inside the sheet format borders. The "GEOMETRY" in those scaled views is always 1:1.

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08/02/2012 6:13 AM

With the drawing open in autocad, enter model space, Then add a dimension or two to check if the object was actually drawn to a different scale than 1 to 1 .

if the dimension are real world (full scale, 1:1, ect) then the printing is done through paper space layouts and the printing scale can be changed there.

if the dimension do not represent the full scale of the object, then:

Turn on and unfreeze all layers. you might want to make notes of the layer states so you can return to the same views later.

type the word scale into the command line.

select all objects in the model space drawing,

divide the dimension the part should be by the dimension you received from above. ie: full size dimension = 4.125 / measured dimension 1.03125 = 4

enter 4 into the command line and hit enter. this should scale the drawing to full size. you might have to do this a couple of times , depending on how you have autocad set up for unit accuracy.

printing to scales should be done through paper space viewports.

oh yeah, you might want to check your work by adding a few more temporary dimensions. then return your layers to their original frozen or off states.

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08/02/2012 7:53 AM

The biggest issue you will have with combining the 2 drastically different drawing scales are text sizes & their justification & insertion points.

What version of ACAD are you using? What version where the drawings drawn in.

Pre-annotative text is much more time consuming to deal with than annotative text.

If its annotative text then all you need to do is decide which scale you want to use. You can even use both scales with only some minor headaches. Select all and add a the appropriate annotative scales. You'll still have some clean up to do because of text justification and insertion points but not much.

Non-annotative text is another issue. Its similar to the previous problem of justification and insertion point but depending on how the text sizes were set up. The text you have in one drawing could be say 10 units high and when you bring in the text from the other drawing the same text style will be 25 units high. You'll have this with the annotative text but with annotative the text is better linked to the relative location that it was placed in the drawing than when you use non-annotative text. And when you look at the drawing in one scale or another it automatically adjust the text sizes.

I have a lisp routine that I used to have to use to deal with the older versions of ACAD to adjust the text sizes. I just had to load the routine and tell it which text style I wanted adjusted and it did it. Then I just had to make sure the text was where it was supposed to be or fit in the area that it was intended to fit in. Since we now mostly use annotative text I no longer have to use it.

I'm not very good at explaining myself in words but I can do this type of stuff myself or show you in person quite easily. I've been using ACAD for civil engineering purposes since 1988.

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08/02/2012 9:07 AM

The main body of the drawing should have been drawn in model space at full scale. When in paper space the scale value can be set with a MVIEW window adjusted to the border being used. We use Acad and all civil is drawn in model space this help all components full size for interference checking. For survey drawings, they are given to us from the survey company in a 1 to 1 scale that be inserted in Acad using origin 0,0 and with this it is still in state plan coord system.

if the drawings are not set-up with the same units, I would find a common point on each drawing, make a WBlock of each drawing, insert one drawing into the other and manipulate the scale from there.

in the future I would request that all drawing be in model space and have the same units for ease of integration.

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