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Inductor Coil Design

08/01/2012 11:39 AM

I know the value of inductance but I want to make the coil such as it can carry 20A sinusoidal current at 20KHz frequenc. How do I calculate the thickness of the copper wire used to make the inductor.pleas ehelp out...

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Re: Inductor coil design

08/01/2012 12:49 PM

If size is not a problem.

Use a 1" diameter plastic pipe.

Use #25 AWG (american wire gauge) film insulated wire.

Calculate wire skin depth. If skin depth is less than twice wire diameter, go from one wire to multiple wires.

Use a single layer and close wind wire 2 inches long.

Calculate the wire's DC resistance.

Calculate inductance using formula for one layer solenoid.

Calculate watts/inch squared for inductor. Use DC resistance of wire.

Calculate wire temperature rise using outside diamiater and length of solenoid.

If watts/inch squared is too high or too low or inductance is incorrect, change wire size, or tube diameter or winding length/# of turns. Repeat calculations and changes until you have smallest size and correct inductance.

If you want a multiple layer inductor, there may be capacitance problems. This gets complicated.

If you want a ferrite core then it gets more complicated still.

Good Luck

Carl

The tube diameter, wire size and winding length were selected at random so actual sizes may be very different from starting point.

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08/01/2012 2:27 PM

check here coil design

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08/01/2012 11:48 PM

Clicked "coil design" in previous post.

Looked like easy way to calculate inductance, so decided to try it out for 1.02 inch diameter winding 97 turns wound 2 inches long.

The answer came out 97.6 henry. This answer was obvisouly incorrect.

Calculated inductance using formula and it came out 99.5 microhenry.

DOUBLE CHECK ANY ANSWER YOU GET USING www.ajdesigner.com/phpinductor_equation.php.
Used inches and permeability of 1 and this may have confused the program.

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08/02/2012 7:54 AM

The formula for current carrying capacity in amperes for copper magnet wire wound into a coil is: d2 x 4869.48 (d = diameter in inches).

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08/02/2012 9:18 PM

Assuming (dangerous thing to do) that your formula is correct, then

d2 x 4869.48 =20, so d2 = 20/4869.48 = 0.0041; d=√0.0041=0.064"

That would be AWG 14 wire.

Source for your formula?

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08/02/2012 10:22 PM

DK -

The last time I got involved in the design & manufacturing of Transformers was in the late '60s to early 70's. As far as I can recall I satisfactorily used the (1000 CM/A) criteria as a very conservative constant in determining the size of the conductor in the design. Depending on the available core window or opening, this wire sizing criteria can only go down as low as (800 CM/A), (permissible derating factor), for a maximum allowable temperature rise at full rated capacity of the transformer.

Using the above sizing criteria, I can safely assume that magnet wire size #12 AWG, has the closest equivalent cross sectional area in circular mills that can safely carry the 25 ampere as requested by the OP..

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08/03/2012 12:07 AM

2mm2 for 20A sounds about right so seems like a safe assumption....

BUT

This is not a DC or mains frequency application. At the OP's 20kHZ, RF skin effect measurably reduces the effective cross sectional of a solid conductor.

At 20khz the skin depth is about 0.5mm. The rest of conductor don't do squat.

So, at 20kHz and 20A we need a conductive cross sectional area of at least 2mm2 to satisfy I2R considerations in a hollow tube form factor with a 0.5mm wall thickness.

To get that, the mean circumference of the tube needs to be 4mm long (2/0.5)

Circumference = ∏ x Diameter,

Diameter = 4/∏, about 1.3mm

The hole down the centre is just 0.3mm across, so not much waste there. Go for solid conductor.

A 1.3mmØ solid conductor has a cross sectional area of 2.2mm2.

At 20kHz/20A a 2.5mm2 or 13AWG conductor will do just fine.

Although this may seem a little pedantic it becomes a serious consideration at much higher RF currents and the use of copper tubing for conductors in this environment is common. eg high power transmitters, filters, and induction heaters (the hollow conductors used in inductive heating is actually exploited to transport coolant, cooler temp permits the duty cycle to increase or for smaller dia tubing to be used to further save on costs)

At 50Hz the skin depth is around 11mm, so solid conductors greater than 22mm dia (380mm2) can be hollow to save material and conductors smaller than this aren't derated by skin affect. Swichtyards have hollow conductors in their BOM.

What's the OP building?

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08/03/2012 2:11 AM

have u considered 20KHz frequency that leads to increase in AC resistance

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