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Solar Off Grid System - Specs

08/09/2012 3:07 AM

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Requesting your advice on following

I have 5380 watts of AC load in total. I dont have grid electricity as of now at site. I want to put up a solar system as sunshine is for over 9 hrs a day. My production is running in 24 hrs

pl advice on system components

No of Solar panels and of what wattage

No of batteries and of what Ah

Inverter of what capacity

any additional component required?

hope to get advice at the earliest

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08/09/2012 3:09 AM

Go to the market place with this specification, looking to install solar + storage of 10-20kW.

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08/10/2012 3:28 AM

+ storage of 10-20kW.

Units gentlemen...kWh

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08/10/2012 4:00 AM

The rating of the panels needs to be 10-20kW. How much storage is up to the original poster.

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08/09/2012 9:52 AM

I would say 20kw should cover it...and 4 days worth of battery storage, depending on the critical nature of the application...

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/20kw-solar-power-generator.html

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08/10/2012 1:42 AM

Don't skimp on batteries!!! Buy the best you can possibly find. Figure battery costs at 3 x panel costs, minimum. Actually, it doesn't matter whether you buy cheap batteries that have to be replaced every 2-3 years, or high-end batteries that can give you 5-10 years of reliable service (assuming you have them installed in the right environment, and are very conscientious with charging cycle control and battery maintenance over the lifetime of the batteries). Over the life of the system, your batteries are going to cost you about 3 x (minimum) the cost of the panels.

The sun shines 9 hours a day, which means you might get six hours a day of usable power. What is the solar insolation in your location?

You need approximately 20% more charging capacity than the load you will be taking from the system.

You are looking at roughly 130 kW-hr of consumption. You need a minimum of about 155 kW-hours pumped in to your batteries. Let's assume you are fortunate enough to have solar insolation on the order of 300 Watts per meter squared. This suggests a minimum of about 86 meters of panels, with no safety factor to account for cloudy days.

Cloudy days can significantly increase the capacity requirements in most parts of the world (the Sahara, or the Death Valley in California may be exceptions to this). If you expect 20% cloudy days, then multiply everything by 1.3. Unless, of course, you can tolerate some down time with your air conditioning systems.

Assuming you can buy panels at about $100 per meter squared (about what we pay locally), you are looking at a minimum of $8,600 worth of panels. Adding the cost of the batteries, you are looking at about $34,000 for a bare-bones system, with maybe another 10% for electronics. Say $40,000 for a bare-bones system that will give you about 20 years of service, more or less.

Yes, these are back-of-the-envelope calculations, but I have found they are within 10% of the actual cost of a system. Depending on where you are located, you may find some variation due to market factors.

Now, compare this to the cost of a 10kW diesel generator, and the cost of fuel over the life of the project (be sure to include the cost of delivering the fuel to the site, which can be a significant cost factor). You might understand why solar has such a problem competing with diesel powered generators in off-grid situations.

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08/10/2012 7:38 AM

Please be advised there is no where in the world that averages 9 sunhours per day. A sunhour is the radiation falling on one square meter at the intensity of 1000 watts per hour. While you may have more than 10 hours of sun, that number is not useful to a design process. Go to PV watts. Input your location. It will give you sun hours. An average for the US might be 4.5 sunhours. That means that on average, for 365 days, 1000 watts of DC rated panels will produce 4500 watts, or 4.5KWH's

I'm not sure where the other posters are getting their numbers.

If you want three days of autonomy, you need to be able to access 5380 x 3 days = 16,140 watts. If you want to maintain your battery bank at levels above 50% (avoid depth of discharge under 50%) you will need 32, 280 watts of storage, or 32.2KWH's.

So let's put it all together. You will lose 25% in various transition,efficiency, battery and voltage losses. In order to reliably service your load, you need to generate 5380 (x%20 recovery) watts x 1.25(efficiency losses) per day. Substandard production days will be covered by your battery bank, and the 20% premium will bring your battery bank to full charge after a poor production episode.

5380 x 1.2 = 6456 x 1.25 =8070 watts per day

divide this by sunhours to get the DC rating of your solar array. For me, it would be

8070 / 4.64 = 1.74 KW or (7) 250 watt panels

your battery bank needs to be 32.2 KW / voltage = amp hours. I would recommend you try to get a 48V inverter and build a 48V battery bank. This would mean that you need 32200/48 or 670 amp hours at 48V.

A good AGM battery might hold 200 AH at 6V, so 8 of them would give you 200 AH at 48V. At that rate, you would need a bank, properly configured, of about 30 of them to meet your requirements.

Finally, this is a powerful system that can hurt you, destroy itself, simply not work, or be a dream. It is essential that it is fused, connected and grounded properly. It can be built by an incredibly curious and conscientious homeowner, but they are few and far between, and the learning will take some work. Good luck. I usually charge a lot for that

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Re: Solar Off Grid System - Specs

08/10/2012 10:57 PM

PFR-

Seems our responses are pretty complimentary- my "back of the envelop" numbers are pretty close to yours...

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08/10/2012 7:54 AM

It just occurred to me that you possibly meant Peak load, not daily load, which is useful for equipment spec (you must be able to deliver peak loads, but not useful for system sizing. Have you built a consumption model to come up with daily watts required, and is that 5380?

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