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Steel Metal Building Design

08/23/2012 6:30 PM

Is there any and/or do you have any web sites that may lead us to current design software/technology for pre-engineered steel metal buildings? If this is possible or available we would need it to be design specific to locations throughout California.

Your continued and timely support in these important matters is truly appreciated.

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08/23/2012 6:36 PM

PEBs are designed by companies using their own custom software that must include some black arts routines. I don't know of anyone who has reproduced their results with available software.

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08/24/2012 12:12 AM

Creative bribery could fix that....

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08/24/2012 9:13 AM

I do not know of any commercially available software programs that will allow you to design or analyze PEBs. Many of the primary steel frame members used in PEB's are rigid, multi-hinged, and non-prismatic.

Like what passington has stated, the PEB designers utilize proprietary software platforms that they've developed over the decades.

Unless you want to develop your own in-house software, I suggest that you perform hand calculations. It certainly can be done. I know this because I have done it many times in the past to evaluate existing PEB steel frames to upgrade and reinforce them (at Owner's insistence) for compliance to current Building Code Standards.

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08/24/2012 9:18 AM

I forgot to mention above that many PEB's, depending on the building layout, size, and configuration, feature multiple bays and spans with continuous girders therefore making many frames indeterminate.......you'll have to perform FEM techniques in the design and analysis. But having non-prismatic girders and columns makes this a more difficult endeavor to say the least.

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08/24/2012 11:06 PM

Why do you want to re-invent the wheel? I've heard the ads of The General for years, here in Ca. I really know nothing about the company, but their ads have always sounded responsible and knowledgeable. There must be at least several others...

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08/25/2012 12:37 AM
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08/25/2012 8:00 AM

Do not waste your time the steel building people have the specs for location, snow load, once in100 year events etc. Prices are not going to be beat by doing it yourself as they buy in quantity far exceeding one building purchase. In these economic times the prices are very low. Back in the 80's I had a 30 x 60 insulated erected for $ 28,000.00 and still looks great today.. At the time I had a complete building for the price of lumber alone not to mention insulation. labour, siding etc..

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08/25/2012 9:49 AM

I would say that many of the PEB manufacturers are very good. There can be some duds when it comes to proper design.

Over the years I've dealt with many PEBs, and I have encountered minor issues during the review or project coordination processes, mainly when the manufacturer's in-house designer utilizes a Ground Snow load value lesser then what is required (as per NYS Building Code Snow Map), resulting in a structural steel frame that is insufficient. Usually, the PEB manufacturer is out of state (mainly in the mid-west or deep south) and has a NYS Registered PE or SE on staff, but they're not entirely familiar with the geography of the state and the Snow Load Maps.

More often than not a quick call to the designer results in a redesign of the frame, roof purlins, and roof deck. I'm not knocking the PEB manufacturer's at all here, but as part of the design team you must remain vigilant and on the lookout for design process errors. And yes, I have conducted in the past several Forensic Engineering investigations of PEB structures that have collapsed due to snow/ice loads.......all failed due to the utilization of a lesser design snow load than what was required pursuant the Building Code.

anyhow, for large projects such as storage warehouses etc, you get a lot of building for your hard won buck. You just cannot beat the prices. Good value!!!

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08/25/2012 10:03 AM

It is always best to contract building inspection dept and get the proper snow load for the geography as well as seismic possibilities. I have found that if properly spec-ed out they heat reasonably and keep relatively cool with proper insulation and colour choices. Plenty of ceiling fans also keep the heating costs much lower even on moderate hight.

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08/25/2012 7:21 PM

Since your building sites are to be located in California, then you should (search) for something like ''metal building california'' to get quite a selection of specific and locally qualified construction candidates.

If you want build in another state, then search similarly, and exclusively, within that state. In any case, hire from among in-state, experienced construction companies, and rely on their specific software, knowledge, expertise, and engineering licenses.

If you happen to be a licensed engineer in another state, then you should not want to risk increased liability, etc.... by trying to practice your engineering discipline in a state in which you are not licensed... California lawyers will line-up to (illuminate...) the error of your ways, if you try there...

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08/27/2012 9:49 AM

http://www.mbsweb.com/htmls/corporate_info%202.htm

From their website:

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Metal Building Software Inc. (MBS), was formed in the early 1980's to custom design a complete software package for a large US metal building manufacturer. After completing this task in 1986, a completely new set of programs were developed for the US and world markets. Initial program development was over a six year period. The MBS software was first marketed in 1992.

MBS has registered professional structural engineers and experienced metal building professionals on staff full-time to answer all your technical support questions.

MBS staff members have an average of over 10 years with the company, and an average of over 13 years using the MBS Software. Half of the MBS staff have advanced degrees in Civil Engineering or Computer Science.

The MBS staff has the resources, education and experience to provide you with the best software available for the metal building manufacturer."

I personnally have not used the software.

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08/27/2012 12:41 PM

A very good find davlamb! GA from me! I didn't even know this company and it's software existed until now.

I can just image what it costs + yearly licensing fees!!! OUCH!!!!!!

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Re: Steel Metal Building Design

08/27/2012 12:22 PM

Sincere thanks for valuable "on topic" information and wisdom.

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