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Wall and Window Popping Sound from Rear of the House

09/08/2012 3:12 AM

I live in 11 year old 2 story 10'walk out basement House which have 11' rettaing wall in the back and also on the front cross the street.Back of the house foundation wall has to built 10' high to work out during construction.Basement was filled with dirt to make it level. Builder engineer and city engineer approved the procedure.My concern was totaly ignored. With in one year house from rear and basement floor from rear went 5" down making house to tilt backward. After lots argument with builder and new home warranty, new home warranty decided to pile most part of the home and replaced half of the basement floor. Contractor hired by new home warranty put pile which ever side of foudation they find easy to do in side or out side the basement wall.Since then when ever tepeprature flucate i get loud popping sound only from rear of the house.What is causing this #1 uneven pile #2 foudation wall move #3 just teperature flucation or some other causes any advise and/or soulation will be highly appricated Thanks

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09/08/2012 9:12 AM

Much more information needed, what is the soil type of the fill, sand/gravel, clay; is there a frost foundation (is there annual freeze-thaw conditions), was the foundation put onto non disturbed soil. It's clear that the concrete floor was poured on non compacted fill. Is there water flowing through the back side of this structure, from rain runoff.

As you are still hearing sounds from this area, it's probably still settling. But are there other water caused conditions that were NOT addressed by engineers/builder?

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09/08/2012 10:42 AM

Hello Ignator,

Soil type clay,foundation is below freeze ground,which is 4' below surface in Alberta. Foundation was put on non disturbed soil,There is no weeping tile around foundation to drain water properly neither gravel around footing on either side to help drain water ( I was told as slope of the ground neither is required).That time there was no building code which required weeping tiles and sump pump to collect water and dump back to storm water drain system Specialy for walk out basement as foudation drop down in 2' steps. Footing in the basement as is @ front of the house basement floor level and @ back 10' below basement floor level.diffrence from front of the house to back of the house is 20'.Thanks for looking in to it

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09/08/2012 9:55 AM

You need a Moose (he'll be around shortly).

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09/08/2012 11:11 AM

You need to take more time with the story. I think I gather that the floor sunk or broke so they put fill in and ...put in new slab?

Set the story up in chronological order and say clearly what took place or was done. Also, how soon the noises happen after a temperature change, and what degree of change causes this.

This is not my area of expertise but these answers will be helpful to those with the expertise.

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09/08/2012 2:41 PM

Thanking you very much for you expert openion.Keep up the good work.

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09/08/2012 12:59 PM

Hello Tom52, from what I can gleam from posts you have some very serious foundation problems. I'm also very unclear about some of your points and descriptions. I'll try to do my best to steer you in the right direction as much as possible, but I, like others here, are several thousand miles away and cannot observe the actual conditions there from here.

I do have some initial questions for you.

Q #1: Are you the original home owner who commissioned the original home builder and were present (even occasionally) when this house was built?

Q#2: Was this house, especially the concrete foundation and floor slab, in any way designed by a Licensed/Registered Engineer, or was it just "winged" during construction by the home builder?

Q #3: Provide in greater detail how the City Engineer was involved in the design of the foundation wall and basement slab? In my professional opinion, the Civil Engineer's office/Planning Dept./Code Enforcement Dept. is not responsible for making design decisions only for reviewing the house design and later construction in regards to the local and Canadian Building Codes; they may have overstepped their legal authority. [BTW, I am a former City Engineer, so I know the legalities concerning involving the duties of a City Engineer.]

Q #4: What type of "piles"? Can you describe them more? How many and where placed? Sheet piling or H-piles?

Q #5: Is the house still under Warranty? Did the originally Warranty become an EXTENDED Warranty from the original house builder?

Frankly, and I'll be very honest with you here. We cannot help you too much in here because we're not there to observe the actual conditions, construction, failures, and the soil and groundwater levels. Also, we don't have X-Ray vision to see into the ground and determine the soil properties and other conditions. Overall, I do suspect that since you're in Alberta your house is sitting on permafrost or even a clay lens. Given that, that's very bad in terms of foundation settlement and frost heave problems, lateral movements, and overall. Coupled with the lack of a foundation drain of any type there are bound to be serious problems.

IF the house is still under Warranty you do have legal recourse at you disposal? First thing I would do if I were you is to hire a Licensed & Registered Professional Engineer, particularly a GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER, who can help you investigate the soil and groundwater conditions, as well as the structural adequacy of the foundation wall and slab. They'll also determine the cause of all your experienced problems. Ask for a detailed Engineering Report that spells out the soil conditions, soil tests (if any, but highly recommended), and structural problems. If the engineer determines that the actual design and construction is inadequate and has failed you may need to obtain the services of an attorney. You will absolutely need this report as a basis of fact in your law suit. Frankly, I wouldn't go back to the house builder(s) and argue any more as a way to settle with them and solve the issues at hand, especially the outstanding structural problems that are present (from what I know so far). You're way beyond the arguing stage/point right now, and after nearly a decade of trying to fix the problems and deficiencies is it's high time for legal action.

BTW, if the Judge favors your petition, then you can also recoup the court costs, legal costs, and engineering services costs. I know it's a crap-shoot to go through litigation, but I don't think you have any other recourse to finally get some satisfaction.

In the end, I believe you may have to eventually tear down the house and build a new one after you with your course case, if it comes down to that. Trying to fix it the way it is presumably built (from your short description supplied so far) is like putting a Band-Aid on a shotgun shot to the chest....it's a waste of time and money, and probably won't solve the more serious problems you are experiencing with the house. Even heard of the term "MONEY PIT"? That is what you have here IMPO......

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09/08/2012 3:54 PM

Hello Captmoosi,

Yes i am the first owner and got the home build . yes they were designed by registered engineer.it is my understanding when you get building permit it need to be inspected for building code and struticial entegerity by engineer also for ground and foundation engineer. I think builder engineers put the stamp and city engineer most the time go along with them

They used two diameter thick pipes criss cross joint by welding 2' pipe in bigger diameter pipe at the start.They bolted bracket againist foundation wall and pressed pipe in to the ground with hydrolic jack to certian psi to make sure it will carry certion amount of load and will not go down. at the end they welded all pipes to those mounted bracket every 6' to 8 ' distance either side of foudation wall (but not opposite to each other in line)all most 25 to 30 piles.House in not under warranty.Legal fight will be vary expensive. In case rear retaing wall move they are going to wash there hand.I was advised first year by some one not let new home warranty or builder work on your home as they are in bed with each other.They will fix the problem to bare minium.Best to hire top notch lawyer and sue builder,builder engineer.city,city engineer and any body came to inspect from city.That is too late now My last bit is my home insurance assist me.Thank you very much for valuable information,and time you spent on it help me understand what i am standing againist.Thanks again

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09/08/2012 4:33 PM

Hello Tom52, You are very welcome. I am glad to have helped a little with your problem.

I'm just curious how long ago was the rear wall work done? Typically here in the US (depends on the state you live in) the statute of limitations for construction work is usually 7 years. It may be the same where you are located, maybe not. You may want to ask your local Legal Aid Society (consultations fees are usually free or reduced significantly, depending on your income structure) what the statutes are for your area. IF the corrective work that was done is less than the applicable statute of limitations, then you're golden and have a legal leg to stand on!

If I were you I would look into this first and foremost.

Yes, your friend was quite correct (and had good advice) not to rely on the original home warranter and home builder to ultimately solve or correct deficiencies.....

I'm not sure that your home insurance will cover this mess, as it may fall under a clause of "pre-existing condition". Hopefully for you, you had the same insurance underwriter since the house was built and that your policy didn't change in any way of form. You'll have to discuss your policy with your insurance agent regarding this matter, or even an attorney for that matter.

I wish I could help you more, but it looks like my hands are tied on this end for several reasons.

Good luck with getting the house problems rectified!

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09/10/2012 4:40 PM

It was done approximately eight years ago. The warranty was only valid if the retaining wall will not slide back or move. If the retaining wall tilts and subsequently causes issues with the house foundation to tilt back the warranty is void.sooner or later retaining will tilt back from top as ground freezing in the winter.Thank you very much for your expert opinion. Tom

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09/10/2012 7:27 PM

A structural failure of retaining walls can include tilting back of the wall or sliding back of the wall, or both.

A failure is a failure is a failure, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. As a Professional Engineer, any type of reinforced concrete retaining wall (that also includes the later installed reinforcing pipe piles) that moves an inch is a structural failure IMPO.

My advice to you is to obtain the services of a very good attorney who specializes in construction failures. I think you have an excellent chance to win in court from what you've described to us so far. You're being hoodwinked by the General Contractor and the Warranty company. Also, talk to your insurance provider for solutions. It's quite possible that they'll want to recover coverage expenses should they determine that the root causes of the problems are associated with design errors & omissions, and/or construction errors.

A new house or relatively new one should never exhibit these types of distressed conditions, plus you paid hard earned money to build a new house and ended up with this aggravation? Frankly, I would be more than LIVID if I were you!!!!

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09/09/2012 12:33 AM

i would hire a good attorney. the problem will depreciate the value of your home and the solutions proposed are only a band aid to the problem.

stop all contruction work immediately, even if you have to thow them off your propery.

i'ld advise hiring a good engineer through your attorney, then sueing everyone involved.

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09/09/2012 3:45 AM

If it was me, I would search for a stable point of ground or rock, that will not move with subsidence.

I would then get a surveyor to place marks on various points of the outside/inside walls and get each point measured. Repeat after a month....see what, if anything, is changing.....

It may even be possible to do something yourself if you have access to the right tools.....I have no idea......

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09/10/2012 9:00 PM

I would like to sincerly thanks all of you for your excelent advise.My family learned lots from this house construction and surely will help me my children if ever decided to built home or deal with home builder or new home warranty.Thanks again for excelent responce.Tom

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09/17/2012 11:25 PM

Irrespective of the actual mechanism, thermal variance (and other(s) ?) are causing the some portion of the structure to suffer some kind of (micro-) fractures that will cumulatively create a greater and greater threat to the total structure, and its (contents), at the time of collapse...

I recommend complete reconstruction, from the bottom of the foundation, on up...

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12/10/2012 12:33 PM

is you house undermined? you must be able to identify the cause of the problem by an engineer, geologist, ect. before going to court

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