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How to Restore Big Granular Compound to Powder

10/16/2012 8:21 AM

If powder-like chemical compound stored in not very dry environment, it is easy to turn to big granular form when absorbed water vapor from air.

How to restore such a big granular form to powder-like form in order not to waste it.

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10/16/2012 8:40 AM

If your "..powder-like chemical compound..." is hydraulic cement, it will be difficult to unring the bell.

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10/16/2012 9:25 AM

Seriously, it does rather depend on what the powder is. There are certain techniques one wouldn't use with ammonium nitrate, for example.

Why original postings don't give details of the materials, temperatures, pressures and quantities involved is quite abstruse.

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10/16/2012 12:46 PM

Fertilizer happens !

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10/17/2012 5:13 PM

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10/21/2012 9:31 AM

So it still is all about weed! Isnt it?

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10/16/2012 11:04 AM

and/or

Then see post # 1 if necessary.

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10/16/2012 11:51 AM

Only heating or dehumidifying can break it into powder?

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10/16/2012 12:04 PM

WTF is this powder? Sheesh.

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10/16/2012 1:49 PM

If a powder absorbs moisture it changes the physical (and sometimes chemical) properties of the material. There is often a significant change in crystalline structure etc. If you want to restore it to what it was before as requested in post title, yes. If you just want to grind it up then you can do so.

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10/16/2012 5:01 PM

As others have said it depends on the powder.

Please tell us what the chemical powder is otherwise we are guessing, or at worse offering a solution that could cause the powder to explode.

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10/17/2012 11:29 AM

Different chemical compounds to prepare hydroponic solution.

Some of such compounds can absorb moisture quite easily.

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10/17/2012 11:46 AM

Ken, this is hardly not useful information.

How can we be friends if you keep secrets from us?

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10/21/2012 9:37 AM

He is quite open with us. We know exactly what he is up to. You just have to read in beteen the lines.

He is growing weed inhouse and tries to get sun light in but is not going to use glas.

The plants need fertiliser which can clump up and he needs to get it back to powder form.

The best part is where the plants have to squeeze through metal holes, where the metal is supposed to help getting light to the leaves from below.

Watch the commercial space. YoungKen weed coming soon!

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10/17/2012 11:49 AM

As a preventative measure you can apply an inert gas purge to the hoppers and other process equipment. Very common for nitrogen to be used as a blanket to drive-off moisture.

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10/17/2012 2:37 PM

OK, so mineral nutrients used to grow plants without the use of soil. That helps narrow things down.

Well these are unlikely to be hazardous (ie- explode due to the application of heat, pressure or when aerated).

You could simple vacuum seal the open bulk bags to prevent moisture in the air (humidity) causing the minerals to clump together and try a little heat and movement to dry out small amounts of the damp minerals (perhaps a hairdryer and a course sieve).

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10/18/2012 12:10 PM

Hydroponic solutions may contain salts that can make pretty powerful explosives. Dissolve the clumped salt in hot water until it is saturated, determine the concentration at saturation, and add the required aliquot when making your working solution. Simple GREENHOUSE 101 solution.

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10/18/2012 1:33 PM

I had experienced a horrible chemical reaction between two common hydroponic compounds:

3CaCl2 + 2H3PO4 -----> Ca3 (PO4)2 + 6Hcl(vapor form)

Fortunately my apartment has a yard and I did it outside.

I got this equation on internet after I had observed the toxic fume!

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10/19/2012 10:43 AM

When did CaCl2 become a hydroponic compound? I use Ca(NO3)2 or CaSO4 depending on the Nitrogen/Sulphur requirement of the crop. Chloride ion gets toxic to many plants at fairly low concentration.

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10/20/2012 2:48 PM

but Cl ion is essential for plant!

True, I use (NH4)Cl or KCl for that.

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10/16/2012 6:01 PM

Questions about soil, grow lights, indoor hydroponics and now a mysterious powder, enough to make you go hmmm?

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10/21/2012 9:39 AM

Thats what I say!

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10/16/2012 8:04 PM

I think you may have already absorbed some of this, "powder-like chemical compound" into your system, and it has affected you adversely.

Tell us what the, "powder-like chemical compound" is.

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10/17/2012 3:14 AM

Yep. If it's strong enough, end of problem.

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10/17/2012 8:35 AM
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10/28/2012 4:46 PM

Send it back to manufacture for reprocessing. If they won't touch, nor should I as the rule goes.

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