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Thermo Syphon Hot Water Runs With No Pump

11/28/2012 5:18 PM

way back in the late 60ties,I fitted in my own home, a reciculating pipe circuit.

Firstly with a Hot water cylinder on the first floor, a pipe,preferably copper is taken from the top outlet of the tank(non pressurized) to the furthest point in the house that you require an outlet to ie a bathroom or a kitchen on the floor below.do not consider the take off pipes at this time, call the very end of the pipe height "B"

the nexr point is important, the return pipe to the hot water cylinder is joined onto the end of the first pipe at the full distance away from the HWC, making an easy 180 degree turn,(bent pipes are prefered to sharp bend fittings) this pipe goes back to the HWC. To make this loop work well the end of the return to the HWC should be made with an essix coupling(HWC penetration) at the lowest height that the HWC normally stores hot water, ie not to the very bottom of the HWC, call this position"C".

the height of the turn around joints at "B" should be equally in height between Position "A" and position "B" This arrangement will allow hot water at the top of the HWC at position "A" to flow away from the HWC slightly dropping all the way to position "B", the water then flows back to the HWC,cooling all the time to position "C"

The water that returns back to the HWC pos "C", is not cold,but has less temperature than at pos A, so sets up the syphon "A" to "B" to "C"

for the water to return to the HWC at pos "C" there will be water entering at pos "A"

this is a syphon, water that is to be taken to bathrooms etc will be by making a "TEE" into the pipe that goes From "A" to "B". Many TEES can e fitted with no problem.

When Hot water is taken at these bathrooms etc, the Thermo syphon is interupted, but quickly restarts, think of the shortness of taking a shower, that that where there is no demand, watching tele or sleeping, there is always hot water PROVIDING you have Hot Water in the Cylinder. Best of luck.I insulate these pipe to save loss of hot water,it will still work, especially when you are not watching it Wild Blue

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11/28/2012 5:42 PM

I have used a natural thermal syphon in a few applications and have found that they do work wonders. I made a mobile hot tub/sauna with a natural thermal syphon from the cast iron wood stove in the sauna to heat and circulate the water in the hot tub, and boy did it work well.

Great project.

What are you using as a fuel to heat your "hot water cylinder"?

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11/28/2012 7:05 PM

Does it look like this?

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11/28/2012 7:23 PM

Nope. Not any of mine, but the basic concept is all the same.

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11/28/2012 7:26 PM

I got the impression OP is tapping the circulation lines, not the supply lines.

Maybe I'm not seeing it right.

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11/28/2012 7:45 PM

Lyn, your correct, this system does work and like many things there are many versions of these systems out there. I had worked on some of the old hot water boiler systems from the 1920's and before that use nothing more then natural heat rise to circulate the water. Surprisingly these old systems work pretty darn good. One I just worked on has been in operation for 100 plus years and still is going strong. Was converted coal fired, to oil fired, to gas fired today. But of course it takes up much of what we might call a basement today.

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11/28/2012 8:38 PM

Well, I guess it would work. What's the heat source?

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11/29/2012 2:41 AM

Currently they use gas. I will make a simple one line drawing when I get a chance to show how they work.

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11/29/2012 2:50 AM

Hope this helps, thanks to engineering tool box, I did not have to draw.

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11/28/2012 8:33 PM

Can you provide a drawing?

I know heating systems that work this way, but I can not quite imagine how it would work if you actually start consuming the water.

You say "non pressurized tank system", usually it is the standard pressure in the water system that will push the hot water upwards. Where do you get your water from? It seems overly complicated to depressurize the water and use heat to get it to the bathroom. Unless you use rainwater or unpressurized water source it does not make sense.

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11/30/2012 4:42 PM

HEY! WHATTA YA MEAN WAY BACK IN DE SIXTIES?()

That was not so long ago.A lot was accomplished with the available technology of the time.Analog controls were very precise and reliable,especially pneumatic.The beauty of the technology is that everything was physically connected,not a facsimile thereof.Not saying digital is not better in many respects, but I am still amazed at the engineering that went into making a pneumatic output relay(Basically, an amplifier),or a multiplier relay, or a pneumatic square root extractor that could be changed into a multiplier by simply changing some plugs on the back of the unit and recalibrating.I believe engineers had a better understanding of the physical world around them back then than now.We still live in an analog world(unless reality has a scan refresh rate faster than "C") in which case it does not matter.

Using thermal siphon is another example of an enduring natural process, as is the water level.I leveled the foundation of my house using a water level,consisting of a gallon jug full of water and clear tubing.The Romans designed their Aqueduct system to very precise tolerances over many miles of uneven terrain using water levels.

I am glad there are still a few of us old guys around that can start from scratch if we have to rebuild our technology from the ground up.

By the way, has anyone thought about using the vent gas from a septic tank for a fuel source?Would there be enough methane to justify the cost of processing and containment?

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