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Prior Austenite Grain Boundary

12/07/2012 7:56 AM

During temper embrittlement ,segregation of impurities occuring to prior austenite grain boundary.But I am confused with the term 'prior austenite grain boundary'.Can you define the term prior austenite grain boundary or suggest any literature which explain it in detail to understand it properly?

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Re: Prior Austenite Grain Boundary

12/07/2012 8:50 AM
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Re: Prior Austenite Grain Boundary

12/07/2012 8:57 AM

A simple internet search reveals tons of info in this subject...

GRAlN STRUCTURE TYPES

The measurement of grain size, whether by the chart comparison method or by manual or automated measurement methods, is complicated by the different types of grain structures encountered and by the etched appearance of the grains. For example, as shown in Figure A, we may have ferrite grains in a non- heat treated or non-hardenable body-centered cubic (bcc) metal or alloy. These do not contain annealing twins, but could contain deformation twins, and second-phase constituents may be present. The example shown is ferrite in a low-carbon sheet steel; carbides are present. This specimen was etched with nital and not all of the grain boundaries are visible; those that are visible are variable in darkness and width. These factors are a minor nuisance for manual rating and a significant problem for automatic rating.

Figure B depicts a single phase austenitic alloy that contains annealing twins. Like the previous micrograph, it shows the boundaries as dark lines, a so-called "flat etch." The austenitic alloy shown, L605, illustrates a common problem with such alloys, they are very difficult to etch so that all of the grain boundaries are visible. This makes it very difficult to measure the grain size with a high degree of precision. Also, when rating grain size the twin boundaries must be ignored, which is not easy, especially by image analysis. Not all austenitic alloys will exhibit annealing twins, aluminum alloys rarely are twinned.

Austenitic alloys may also be etched with reagents that produce grain contrast or color variations as a function of their crystallographic orientation. Figure C shows the twinned austenitic grain structure of cartridge brass that was etched producing grains with different contrast in black and white. Note that unlike the flat etched L605 specimen, all of the grains are revealed. This structure is easy to rate by the comparison method if the grain size chart depicts grains etched in the same manner. This condition is virtually impossible to measure by automatic image analysis, however. Again, twins are present but the coloration or contrast varies within the grains.

To measure twinned austenitic grain structures by image analysis, we need to either suppress the etching of twins or be able to identify and ignore them. At the same time, all of the grain boundaries must be revealed and be identifiable. The best solution is to use an etchant that reveals only the grain boundaries. To illustrate this, the next micrograph, Figure D, shows AlSl 316L stainless steel electrolytically etched with 60% nitric acid in water (Pt cathode, 0.8 V dc, 45 s). The grain boundaries are almost completely revealed but no twins are visible. The accompanying micrograph, Figure E, shows a tint etched view of this specimen at the same magnification where the twins are visible.

In dealing with carbon and alloy steels, the steelmaker generally performs a test known as the McQuaid- Ehn test, to determine if the steel is inherently fine grained. A specimen is carburized at 1700"F for 8 h and furnace cooled. The excess carbon in the carburized case precipitates during cooling as cementite in the austenite grain boundaries present at the end of the carburizing cycle. The specimen is cut and polished so that the case structure is revealed. Generally, nital is used as the etchant and a comparison chart rating is made where the Test Methods E 112 chart exhibits the same contrast. Such a structure, Figure F, is not very good if actual measurements are made, especially if image analysis is employed. The alternative is to darken the grain boundary cementite films. A number of etchants will darken cementite, the one used here, Figure G, was Beraha's sodium molybdate tint etch but the familiar alkaline sodium picrate etch works well also. Etched in this way, the grain structure shows up much more clearly and image analysis could be used.

Once an alloy steel part is heat treated, only etching can be used to try to reveal the prior-austenite grain boundaries, that is, the austenite boundaries present when the part was soaked at the austenitizing temperature. While many etchants have been developed for this purpose, such work is fraught with difficulty. One of the most successful prior-austenite grain boundary etchants is a saturated aqueous solution of picric acid containing a wetting agent, several of which have been used. This etch is sensitive to phosphorus segregated to the prior-austenite grain boundaries and will not work otherwise. Figure H illustrates a fairly successful effort with a quenched and tempered experimental alloy steel. This type of etch rarely, if ever, yields an etch quality adequate for image analysis and is usually accompanied by substantial pitting.

It would take me forever to cut and paste the pertantant info in this reply, so please do us and yourself a favor and follow the links below :

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7mcM9MFQZEcA0eBXNyoA?p=Prior+Austenite+Grain+Boundary+definition&fr=yfp-t-701&fr2=sb-top&xargs=0&pstart=1&b=11&xa=WppDGaY7Ir.WpvJh.OzSBw--,1354974604

http://vacaero.com/Metallography-with-George-Vander-Voort/Metallography-with-George-Vander-Voort/revealing-prior-austenite-grain-boundaries-in-heat-treated-steels.html

http://www.georgevandervoort.com/met_papers/IronandSteel/Revealing_PAGBs.pdf

http://www.metallography.com/grain.htm

This one will teach you how to do your own internet search :

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Re: Prior Austenite Grain Boundary

12/07/2012 9:24 AM

LOL.I didn't ask grain!!!!I asked 'prior austenite grain boundary'!

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12/07/2012 10:09 AM

Aren't you funny.

If you want someone to do your work for you, it is not wise to mock them.

A simple search revealed about 105,000 results and took 0.57 seconds to perform.

Do your own work!

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12/07/2012 10:12 AM

I think OP needs to follow last link I provided. Maybe we should hold a class on seaching the net, or a webinar, get paid for it

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12/08/2012 9:28 AM

Maybe we should hold a class on seaching the net
Enter into the Google box the subject,place the arrow on search,click the mouse.
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12/08/2012 10:37 AM

LOL, Ron.... I see that posted all the time, yet some people still can't do it....

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12/08/2012 9:47 AM

Let's start here: "what is difference between Butt and socket Weld Fitting"

From here: Butt and socket Weld Fitting- Difference

This is a fine example of not wanting to bother doing any research before coming here to be fed the answer.

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12/07/2012 10:14 AM

lyn,

Sorry to say that,I know very well who you are.I have seen many of your posts in linkedin. You are pretty well in ground jobs but really a big zero in metallurgy. suggest you to concentrate in your field of expertise.

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12/07/2012 10:18 AM

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12/07/2012 10:19 AM

Nope. I refuse to verbally joust with an unarmed idiot.

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12/07/2012 10:22 AM

What not enough challenge? 1st clue should be the fact that OP has to hide behind "Anonymous Poster"

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12/07/2012 10:28 AM

And even after insulting you they still want you to DO THEIR WORK FOR THEM!

Unfortunately, there is no way to separate the lazy ones from the sincere ones.

I'm outta here. See ya.

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12/07/2012 10:10 AM

Lol, well then please read the info I provided, the boundaries are the areas between two or more adjoining austenite grains.

Or, do as I suggested, type in "prior austenite grain boundary definition" into your favorite seach engine and sift through all the info yourself. I gave you links to some sites about "prior austenite grain boundary" as well as a link to the search results that I found.

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12/07/2012 10:22 AM

JPool,

Now your comment has some sense with respect to my query.

Thanks a lot

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12/07/2012 10:36 AM

Prior means before. So prior austenite grain boundary refers to the boundaries between austenite grains before the recrystallization of the alloy after heat treat

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