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Unusual Mains Electrical Fault

01/14/2013 12:17 AM

Had a problem with a faulty circuit breaker ( 2 pin earth leakage type) that was installed concurrently with new roof insulation. I replaced it and all seemed well, but was not.

A year or so, on and a couple of tenants downstairs later, the same circuit breaker started to play up again. I quickly established that anything plugged into just this one of the several power points that particular circuit in the building would immediately cause the circuit breaker to thow out. My first reaction was, "its impossible", as any fault I could think of was invariably going to cause a fault regardless of what was connected. It was also bad news because there was no easy way to replace the cabling in that part of the house.

I did a "hopeful"change of the possibly faulty socket plate, and that made no difference as expected. About 12 hours later my brain finally clicked and the diagnoses was correct.

The problem was that the neutral wire out of the last power point in the problem circuit was returned to the earth of the 2nd last power point in the circuit instead of to its neutral.

The problem had existed for 20-30 years, but was not important when only fuses were in place. Any one else seen one like this?

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Re: Unusual mains electrical fault

01/14/2013 3:39 AM

Yep. Been there. It turned out to be a woodscrew that was holding up an earthed wall light bracket having just kissed the neutral conductor on its way into the wall. The symptoms were that every time the oven was turned up to full welly, the whole-house 100mA RCD tripped everything out. CR4's masu helped out with suggestions all the way from the other side of the world.

It took a week to find it, 5 minutes to correct it, and all is well now.

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Re: Unusual mains electrical fault

01/14/2013 11:03 AM

Similiar here in US, but it was poorly stripped insulation on one leg of the circuit.

It would power a lamp without tripping the GFCI, but plug a vacuum cleaner in and it blew every time.

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