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Overload for Dummies

01/22/2013 12:41 AM

hey all

just some questions again. This time with overload relays. So generally we set overload to 125% fla. So there are different trip classes like 10 20 and 30.So with a 10 trip class the overload will trip in 10 sec for Fla. But I have seen the loads running fine for hours drawing fla and other tripping as soon as they cross fla. Does 10 sec time refer to locked rotor current which is aprrox 6 times of fla . Just clear my confusion.

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01/22/2013 1:39 AM

Someone has led you astray I fear.

First, you do not always set the OL relay to 125% of the FLA, you have to read the instructions. Some, if not most, overloads ALREADY have the 125% pick-up point built in to the dial settings, so you must set the OL to the motor FLA exactly.

Second, the trip class, 10, 20, 30 etc., is the MAXIMUM time the OL will trip when current reaches 600% of the FLA as set on the dial, in other words at LRA (Locked Rotor Amps), not at FLA. At FLA is should never trip, and at 125% of FLA it should trip in something like 2 hours. The curve is determined by those three points.

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01/22/2013 3:27 PM

Thanks for clearing my confusion :)

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01/23/2013 1:51 AM

Your knack of using the right words to express things is fantistic!

A very good reply that makes the issue crystal clear.

Keep up the good work. I really wonder what the lumberjacks, whom you did not join, are missing!

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01/23/2013 7:52 AM

This is off the topic, but I too remember the days when I wanted to harvest trees,but I was only about 6 years old when they were cutting timber along a nearby river valley.I heard the old 1949 log trucks groaning up the hill,never able to get out of 2nd gear until they crested the top, then they would go thru the whole set, double clutching all of them,but before they got really wound out, they had to stop at an intersection,so they would gear down and finally come to a stop with a loud exhaust of compressed air.

So anyway, here I am in 1st grade,first day at public school, sitting at my desk, going thru the gears,and the teacher got upset.She said "Johnny...please stop!"

So I did.But I had to gear down first, and went thru all the sounds that the trucks make gearing down,(10 speed, 2 speed axle) and finally came to a stop, including the loud"PSSSSSST!"

My first day at school did not go well after that for some reason.

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01/22/2013 9:56 PM

Hello sir, 125% of Fla is pick up current. It is not a trip value.then tripping class means it is the maximum time to trip when current draws 7.2 times of Fla.

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01/22/2013 10:36 PM

one question. Is the motor 99% or 100% loaded?

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01/23/2013 9:20 AM

Not sure what type of overload protection you are looking at or working with but there is a drastic diffference between setting up a simple MCC bucket starter overload relay and setting up the overload protection for the distribution feeder breaker that supplies incoming power to the MCC buss where the bucket is located.

The distribution breaker protection allows a much broader control of all trip protection parameters.

This allows differentation between "long time" and "short time" overload trip points which may be why you see "loads running fine for hours at fla and others tripping as soon as they cross fla." (It depends on the type of device, where it resides in the circuit protection scheme, and where the pickup and trip parameters are set.)

Also; Other reasons for trip time variance are:

During acceptance testing (bench test) of overload relays and breakers the trip time quite often varies significantly from device to device.

It is alarming how many protective devices new, right-out-of-the-box do not meet the trip time window requirement.

It is also common for in-service protective devices to not function correctly after interrupting a high fault current.

These and other operating dynamics are why the OEM of the protective device (usually) only warranty the device to operate one time and recomend testing of the device after a fault trip before returning it to service and/or replacing the device if it fails to meet test parameters.

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