Previous in Forum: Wind Load Calculation for Cantilever Canopies   Next in Forum: Shower Spitting Water
Close
Close
Close
10 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3

Sheet Pile Installation

01/23/2013 12:42 PM

Dear All,

Can anyone tell me if its safe to install -using a vibrating hammer- 22m length steel sheetpile wall with embedded length of 12 m parallel to another existing sheetpile wall a distance of 2.0 m away.

Serious replies please.

Thank you All.

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
3
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#1

Re: SHEET PILE INSTALLATION

01/23/2013 1:06 PM

This is a question for a civil engineer who is familiar with the job, the requirements of the job, local building codes, local soil conditions, and many more details you have failed to provide.

Hire an engineer, I'm serious.

Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 3)
Associate

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Ireland
Posts: 39
Good Answers: 1
#3
In reply to #1

Re: SHEET PILE INSTALLATION

01/24/2013 5:56 AM

Have to agree with Lyn, hire an engineer and get design proposal drawn up. Site investigation report & borehole logs will be needed. The company i work for have carried out a similar project in retaining a 160m raised rail embankment by sheet piling both side of the rail line and installing tie rods under the track to tie the structure together with whaler beams.. the distance was 3m between the piles. However we had to drive the piles opposite each other, as opposed to along one side and then along the other side. this was because there was a danger the embankment would shift if all the piles were driven on one side. the rail line was in use during the day and works carried out an night. Track monitoring had to be carried out during & after the project.

There are a lot of considerations here such as the reason for the wall, ground conditions, modulus of elasticity of the piles, cold formed or hot rolled piles (2 completely different species) , the type of clutch proposed, loading on the piles, loading of the machine & piling hammer on the ground while driving piles if applicable.

It can be done safely but not without a proper design proposal.. I know many companies selling sheet piles will do the design calcs & analysis if you provide and SI report & basic information. I know from personal experience this analysis can be cost saving as they recommend alternatives to what is proposed and result is less tonnage of piles.

__________________
Juries scare me. I don't want to put my faith in 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty.
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2189
Good Answers: 84
#2

Re: Sheet Pile Installation

01/24/2013 3:01 AM

"Serious replies please."

"Thank you All."

You are most certainly welcome!

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Red Hook, New York (Mid-Hudson River Valley)
Posts: 4362
Good Answers: 179
#4

Re: Sheet Pile Installation

01/24/2013 8:01 AM

Seriously, you need to hire a Civil Engineer experienced in sheet piling, as well as a Geotechnical Engineer.

I would not do this installation without their explicit involvement....

__________________
"Veni, Vidi, Vici"; hendiatris attributed to Gaius Julius Caesar, 47 B.C.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2189
Good Answers: 84
#5

Re: Sheet Pile Installation

01/24/2013 9:13 AM

Shouldn't your question be: "Do I really want to be personally responsible for the loss of life and/or property should this fail because I was going on the unqualified advice of complete and total strangers whom I found on the Internet?" Not even CLOSE to the Serious Reply I would have posted were it not for the judicial use of this-here backspace key...

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2189
Good Answers: 84
#6

Re: Sheet Pile Installation

01/24/2013 9:22 AM

The Real Question is "Why are you willing to take such a risk *at all*?" You wanted serious replies only, yes?

Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 184
Good Answers: 2
#7

Re: Sheet Pile Installation

01/24/2013 9:34 AM

Can it be done, yes, should it be done without checking in detail with the local authorities, codes, standards and civil designers who know the job, no.

As to serious answers, the question should be serious also, since what you are asking may require code violations that can harm the people giving the answers as well as those who do the work afterward.

Also since you give so little information the answers will always be generic.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1035
Good Answers: 40
#8

Re: Sheet Pile Installation

01/24/2013 9:36 AM

Advice in prior replies is completely sound ... especially bringing-up the fact that the original post fails (quite miserably) in providing sufficient data to 'crunch'.

Is there any coating or cathodic protection on the existing sheet piling? (if not, why not?).

Were you to be involved in the subsequent install, would there be any (coating/cp) in the plans for IT ...?

As stated, a CE with experience in the local hydrological conditions etc is MOST warranted for tackling such a project. (Out of sheer, utter curiosity, does "your" plan carry intention of placing 'filler material' between the sheets, 2m apart...? And, assuming so ... what...?)

Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3
#10
In reply to #8

Re: Sheet Pile Installation

01/26/2013 12:18 PM

The Existing sheet pile in addition to coating also has cathodic protection and so does the new proposed one with factory applied coating and two sacrificial nodes to be provided on site.

I was involved in the design and am also involved in the installation. Yes, there is going to be a fill material in the 2 mts between the sheets.

Regards

Ninestein

Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3
#9

Re: Sheet Pile Installation

01/26/2013 12:05 PM

Thank you All for the responses.

I am a Civil Engineer having been involved in the design and now in the construction stage of this project.

All the design parameters : bathymetric survey, geotechnical investigation-geological and geophysical surveys, EIA studies were conducted and the designs approved for construction

This challenge came up during construction as site modification requires that work must extend to the edge of an existing Quaywall on sheet pile. Hence a distance of 2mtrs is proposed.

My quest for suggestion is on the effect of installing another anchored sheetpile wall directly opposite the existing one 2mts away considering the passive pressure that will develop between the 2 walls after installation.

I have not done this before, I mean having 2 sheetpile walls this close. Hence my quest for suggestion from those who have had the experience or who would refer me to texts and research materials on this.

I am still open to new ideas and am still researching.

I dont think its impossible but a very good understanding of the interaction of the 2 sheetpile elements below the dredge line and what manner of improvement that may require to be made is what i am working on, proven or empirical.

Once Again.

Thanks

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 10 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Buttons (1); CaptMoosie (1); europium (3); lyn (1); ndt-tom (1); NINESTEIN (2); vargaalex (1)

Previous in Forum: Wind Load Calculation for Cantilever Canopies   Next in Forum: Shower Spitting Water

Advertisement