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How Does This Weller Nicad Charger Work?

02/05/2013 10:43 PM

This is my Weller cordless soldering iron that works from a nicad battery. But since nicads require constant current to charge I wonder whats going on here because there are not enough components to do a constant current circuit... I think. The charger I have pictured is the correct Weller charger for this iron. Any thoughts welcome.

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Re: How does this Weller Nicad charger work?

02/05/2013 11:34 PM

There are basically two metods of charging, and one of them is constant current and the other one is current driven by voltage i.e. by feeding voltage with a series resistor. The one u have shown is the least for charging a Nicad. All u need is a secondary with 2.5 times the voltage of the battery. Looks like there r two cells in there making it 2.4 volts dc.

The diode performs half wave rectification of the ac (6 volts ac approx)put out by the transformer and the resistor drops the excess voltage as well as limits the maximum charging current.

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02/06/2013 5:37 AM

Your answer is great thankyou. David

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02/07/2013 6:53 AM

Good Answer!

Any chance of using 'you', instead of 'u', and 'are' instead of 'r'? Phone-text-speak devalues your expertise.

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02/06/2013 8:20 AM

Just have to ask, as I have the standard replaceable battery model from Weller - is the "on" button so hard to press you can't hold it on for more than a minute at a time? Just starting to get hot enough to use and you start turning the thing off every few seconds and loose heat. The one I am referring to is so difficult to work with the index finger, I have taken to using my thumb - keeps the switch down but renders the built in work area light worthless as the approach angle of the iron is wrong when held that way.

For portability, I'll stick to my butane torch units from now on. Difficult to light, but once they are running, you have all the heat you need until you turn it off.

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02/06/2013 10:29 PM

from the photo it looks like the on switch is a pice of bent metal - perhaps reshaping the metal strip slightly may help reduce the force required to turn the heat on.

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02/07/2013 8:26 AM

I can try that - however, I should get up to date on personal electronics - had I had a way to get to the net at the store, I could have Googled the model and saw the dozens of bad ratings for this model due to just what I am complaining about - and that was 2007 when they were posted. Apparently companies don't fix known problems anymore. Really bad since this was just bought on a whim - I already had a new mini butane torch style iron in my cart. Which leads to another complaint - used to be the model of butane torch I bought came with a lighter - not anymore. Now you buy another torch with a built in lighter to light the new one you just bought for soldering.

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Re: How does this Weller Ni-cad charger work?

02/06/2013 11:52 PM

I bought this iron on ebay a few months ago very cheap due to it being faulty. I assumed it would have a dead nicad but in fact the nicad was fine and the problem was that the switch was implemented in a basic way using a piece of spring metal that is pressed against a metal post and this contact had some oxide which a bit of sandpaper removed and the iron sprang to life.

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02/06/2013 1:47 PM

Cheap product, cheap electronics and cheap charger design results in a charging circuit that is not ideal for the battery chemistry and that ultimately reduces the battery life.

It is not the ideal solution you may have expected but it is cheap and it does work, which is why it is commonly used.

My dad has small rotary tool (like a Dremel brand) that just had a small DC transformer and a battery with NO charging electronics, just a direct connection to a fullwave bridge. The battery was there for providing extra torque to keep the transformer size and cost down. Needless to say it did not last for more than a few years, but for the price.........

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02/06/2013 11:03 PM

Weller has been known for using its earlier brand reputation for making cheap products.

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02/06/2013 11:41 PM

I did not know that about Weller. A few manufacturers do that. I had a Teac mp3 player which was in the bin not long after I bought it.

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02/06/2013 11:39 PM

I suppose if the rotary tool keeps going past its warranty period the maker might not care. The soldering iron works well despite being about 13 years old and having a nicad battery and I think its original selling price was about 90 U.K. pounds which seems quite a bit.

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02/07/2013 1:31 PM

No that sounds about right. I have had no relilability issues with Weller products except the soldering iron I snapped in half (but that was my fault).

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Re: How Does This Weller Ni-cad Charger Work?

02/06/2013 11:20 PM

Another cheap simple trick sometimes done with a constant voltage battery charging approach is a thermal resettable chemical fuse attached electrically in series with the battery and mechanically attached to the battery. (I do not see one but it might be buried under the white plastic.) When the battery is fully discharged and charging starts an initial full voltage gets applied and the fuse self heats until it "opens". In this open condition a trickle current continues to flow into the battery. As the battery charges up the voltage drop across the fuse drops. When the fuse and battery cools sufficiently the fuse closes. This resetting fuse will also protect a fully charged battery from the occasional short circuit.

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02/07/2013 9:05 AM

Weller Soldering Irons and stations has a variety of systems but the picture shows a simple full-wave rectifier (Bridge rectifier), Transformer is so designed that its 2xPrimary windings are 2x110V and connected in parallel for 110V supply and in series to work on 220V systems.

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02/07/2013 10:00 AM

I would have thought that the single diode means half wave rectifier?

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02/07/2013 10:07 AM

Yes. Single diod rectier is ½ wave rectifier.

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Re: How Does This Weller Nicad Charger Work?

02/07/2013 12:26 PM

Transformer design can limit the current to an acceptable level. In this case there is a series resistor doing that. The current doesn't need to be constant, just less that the maximum. As the battery charges up, the voltage increases, and the current drops.

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Re: How Does This Weller Nicad Charger Work?

02/08/2013 6:11 AM

Panasonic about NiMH charging (NiMH)

... !found this! (NiMH)

Ni-Cd ??? is more sensitive to overloading (overheating)

i just tested stuff yesterday about ... constant current src.-'s (low limits)

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02/08/2013 7:29 AM

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