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Boilermaker

03/24/2013 6:05 PM

whats up with t-23 boiler tube? I just took a welding test on t-23 boiler tube coupon, in 6G position to qualify for a power plant outage scheduled soon. The problem is I failed the test, I've passed several tests using carbon steel and stainless steel. Why is this type tube so different to weld? The test was all GTAW weld procedure, the coupon was prepped, bevels cut and ID counter-bored and clean, all I had to do was clean up the coupon pieces as usual, flap wheel ID-OD and bevels. I took the bevel to a sharp edge at the ID as I always do for a tig weld test. I set the gap at 3/32", preheated to about 350 F. After running the root pass and looking at the inside of the tube, it was sure ugly! It looked like welding ss using the tig process and not having a purge gas (argon) on the inside of the tube. I asked QAQC if I could use a backing gas for this test and was told it isn't required. What am I doing incorrectly? I set up and welded this coupon (root only) just like I do for carbon steel 6G qualifying test, whats the differrence? I'd sure like to take this test again, but I want to know exactly what I need to do. I think this tube is used on the reheats tube panels, the coupon size is about 1-1/2" id x 2-1/2" od, maybe about a 1/2" wall. I've welded all my life, I'm 58 and have'nt had too much trouble being able to pass the various qualifying welding tests that I've done in the past. Does anyone know what I need to do differently to be able to make a proper weld on this t-23 type material?

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Re: Boilermaker

03/24/2013 10:21 PM

Maybe you can find some clues in these papers, apparently the preheat temperature and mounting means are critical to the successful welding of T-23:

http://www.ams.tuke.sk/data/ams_online/2003/number3/mag08/mag08.pdf

FABRICATION AND WELDABILITY OF GRADE 23 TUBING AND

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Re: Boilermaker

03/25/2013 10:19 AM

I've previously looked at these papers, I guess what I'm really needing is the PQR's for this type material. I need to read those pre-qualified records, (welding procedures) to be absolutely sure I'm following them within the allowances given. If you know of a resource, something comparable to this site, where a person can submit questions partaining to welding problems, it needs to be rather extensive, because I've found most sites refer to more common weld problems

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03/25/2013 8:17 AM

I wonder what the result had you provided yourself with a small land?

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Re: Boilermaker

03/25/2013 10:29 AM

The problem is, this material is available at the power plants only,(I think). I've never welded this material previously, I'd like to have some of this type of boiler tube to practice with. I think that I could pass the qualification test if I could become familiar with the character of this material. Most of the time you're only given one chance to pass a welding test at the power plants. You don't have the luxury of going on site and trying different techniques to be able to pass the welding test. I guess what I really need, is to talk with an experienced boilermaker who has had previous welding on T-23 boiler tube

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03/25/2013 2:39 PM

You might get a useful response out of this forum:

Metal and Metallurgy Engineering - I can't figure out how to post a link...

www.eng.tip.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=265044.

There is quite a bit of chatter on this particular alloy. Click on "see related topics."

The reason that I mentioned the "land" or root face is because there is a drawing in both the piping and the boiler and pressure vessel code (same drawing) that shows a J-groove weld profile with a root face. I think that most of the weld prep for the tubes will be done with a profiling machine. And, in my experience the profiling tool will give you a profile the same as the one set out in the ASME codes. Complete with land.

So I am guessing that you would be confronting this weld prep on site.

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Re: Boilermaker

03/26/2013 3:35 AM

Thanks for the non working link.However I have corrected it.

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=265044#

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Re: Boilermaker

03/26/2013 10:49 AM

the profile of the T-23 coupon for the weld test was a 37-1/2 degree bevel, cut from the tubes od to the tubes id, one continuous weld surface, no 'j'-bevel here.

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03/26/2013 2:02 AM

The following link will give some insight to your problem.

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=332029#

Some interesting discussion on dissimilar weld involving T-23 material (Just for information only and this discussion has no connection with your query)

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=316662

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03/26/2013 10:26 AM

See the site..... lincolnelectric.com for P91 and beyond.... This is a special Cr-Mo pipe for anti creep and confounds normal weldability and yes, does require advanced techniques beacause of this prpoerty. as explainded... Advanced chromium-molybdenum pipe and tubing such as 9 CrMoV [P(T)91], tungsten, and/or boron-enhanced materi- als (i.e., Grades 92, 122, E911, 23, 24, etc.) are now being specified. The lessons learned thus far with P(T)91 weldments have truly demonstrated that CSEF steels are quite different and require significantly more attention than the P(T)22 and lesser materials. Of the candidate advanced base mate- rials and consumables, T23 appears to have the highest priority among chal- lenges to P91, followed by P92 and then to a lesser extent the higher chromium- and nickel-based alloys. Emphasis placed herein on Grade 91 and the importance of maintaining preheat, interpass temper- ature, and dangers inherent in interrupted heating cycles or improper postweld heat treatment plus detailed attention to filler metal procurement to avoid metallurgi- cal complications is equally true for the other advanced chromium-molybdenum alloys....... I suggest contacting Lincoln and getting their course work.

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Re: Boilermaker

03/26/2013 10:53 AM

Hey, thanks for the info, I'm not so sure that the QAQC weld tech is familiar with the latest and greatest concerning this T-23 monster!

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