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C Motor Low RPM Problem

04/08/2013 2:32 AM

I'm working on a controller for ac induction motor and it's spec is given below. I could control the speed without any trouble at higher speeds like 2000 rpm and above. I'm using TRIAC phase angle control topology in the controller. But at lower RPM like below 1000 RPM but motor takes so much time to reach the set rpm which is not desired as it will add error to the set time period (a timer is there to run the motor @ set RPM for a set period). Also is there any problem if I don't increase the speed gradually.

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1/8hp ,230v/50Hz ,6000 RPM @ No load, I'm using a load of around 1KG

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04/08/2013 3:13 AM

Where did you get an induction motor of those specs?

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04/08/2013 11:31 AM

With those specifications I can only envision that this is a Universal motor. In a Universal motor, torque increases as speed decreases, but at the same time current increases, so at some point the motor design will allow the magnetic flux to saturate at low speeds and torque capability drops off significantly once that happens. If you have ever tried to use a 3000RPM drill motor at really low speed like 150RPM, you can see and feel this issue; the motor cogs and jumps a little rather than run smoothly and quietly. But if you use a 300RPM drill motor and run it at 150RPM, no problem at all. So it is best to use a motor which is designed to run at the same top speed as your application, because using a much faster motor sacrifices torque stability and capability at low speeds.

So bottom line raf23, the problem here may be that you are attempting to get greater than a 6:1 speed range from a motor that is best used at no more than 4:1. If you never use it at 6000RPM, consider matching your top application speed to the motor design so that you get better performance at the lower end. If you need a range that is fully 6000RPM down to below 1000RPM with full performance throughout, you may need to use a different strategy on your motor selection.

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04/08/2013 10:34 PM

I fully agree with the basics brought home.

Additionally, and that is an equally large bit, when you underpower an Universal Motor, you cannot do it a convenient, low power way. It will bog down.

You will have to go complicated, sophisticated. Using PWM, and measuring cycle by cycle. And controlling digitally. The feedback loop will be unstable in a classical analog design, and might be unstable in a digital implementation. Hence, with best efforts, there are limits. Better, than the 1:4 or 1:6 mentioned above, nonetheless limited. At least, the safety cutoffs will be integrated in the design (I hope).

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04/09/2013 7:52 AM

An induction motors has the greatest torque when turning about 80% of synchronous speed and the torque drops off at lower speeds. For this reason, it is not a good choice if you want to control the speed, given constant AC frequency.

http://www.google.com/search?q=induction+motor+torque+speed+curve&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=kv1jUZD0OtK-4APkwID4Cg&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1358&bih=625

You need a universal motor to do what you're trying to do.

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04/09/2013 10:51 AM

But if his base motor speed, as indicated by the motor specs, is 6000RPM at 50Hz, it cannot be an induction motor.

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