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Hand Elevator And Dumbwaiter Question

06/19/2013 3:38 PM

I have always been fascinated with elevators and have been doing research on hand powered elevators (and there smaller counterparts dumbwaiters). One thing I can't figure out is how the self retaining break system works.

"The Sedgwick Automatic Brake Dumb Waiter
Machines are a great improvement over
all Automatic Lock and other Self-Retaining
Machines, and are especially designed for pur-
chasers who consider just as carefully what
they are getting, as what they are paying.
The Automatic Brake is independently sup-
ported, thus relieving the machine of all end
thrust, strain, and unnecessary wear."
-Sedgwick catalog 1923

I would really like to see an animated cad drawing of such a mechanism working. I would also like to know the equation for figuring out the ratio I know if you have a rope wheel that is 20" in dimater attached to a pulley that is 10" you have a 1:2 ratio, same as if you had a gearing of one gear having 5 teeth and the other having 10. What I don't understand is how to factor them into one equation a 20" wheel going to a 5 tooth gear going to a 10 tooth gear going to a 5" pulley. Also if I wanted to build one of these things how many parts are still available and how many would have to be custom fabricated?

I will leave you with a video of a hand elevator being operated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JfRpbVLCLc note how the car stays stationeary when he stops pulling.

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06/19/2013 4:42 PM

The wheel diameters give a 1:2 reduction, as does the gear teeth combo. Multiplying, the total reduction is 1:4.

The handwheel could be mounted on a screw so that any force on the wheel lifts a brake pad, and letting go of the wheel reapplies the brake. To lower a load, you would have to lift it slightly at first to disengage the brake.

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06/19/2013 5:29 PM

If you have a chain hoist handy you could demonstrate....the 10 to 1 or whatever ratio will hold the weight once suspended with no effort, it's because of the extreme ratio,,,,now if you want to move faster, more distance per pull, then you can add a counter weight separately attached and go to say a 5 to 1 ratio, or even more counter weight all the way till you are at 1 to 1 ratio....the reversible ratchet locks the pulley, and a governor to limit pulley speed....

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06/19/2013 6:00 PM

Nope the high gear ratio dosen't hold the load it has something to do with a screw like the other poster said, but I can't see how it works.

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06/19/2013 8:47 PM

That's a shame....

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06/20/2013 2:50 AM

Well, the brake is easy if I remember correctly. The box is hung from the cable by a leaf spring articulated at each end. The center of the spring is the attachment point for the cable and the articulations are attached to the edges of the box. Mounted on the very ends of the leaf spring itself are the break shoes. When the cable pulls up, the articulations allow the leaf spring ends to pull in, releasing the shoes from the walls. But if the cable breaks, then the leaf spring straightens out and presses the shoes against the wall, slowing and hopefully stopping the decent.

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06/20/2013 4:52 AM

Worm ans wheel gearing tends to self locking so the worm will drive the wheel but the wheel won't drive the worm.
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06/20/2013 5:01 PM

Metal to metal slopes have a slipping angle. If I remember correctly, steel on steel is 5 - 6 degrees angle. Above, they all slip, below that all have traction and lock.

The worm to gear setup works two ways.:

1,. You move the worm and the gear follows. You overcome friction and the necessary work done. No problem, only inefficient. Inherently safe.

2,. Gear to worm. The gear pushes against the worm. But the effective transfer angle is under the 5 degrees, and it locks. Both the gear tooth angle and the worm's end bearing friction needs to be regarded, as both experience the same thrust, hence produce the same breaking force.

This is simply the long winded, catty version of the physics.

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