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Sealing Very Old Moroccan Iron

06/28/2013 11:09 PM

How can I seal old, RUSTED iron from Moroccan? I do not want to remove the rust or allow the finish to show in any way.

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Re: Sealing very old Moroccan iron

06/28/2013 11:47 PM

Try a matte finish acrylic, or other, coating.

Remember, rust never sleeps, so you may have to re-coat, if left outside.

Dupli-Color/Matte clear coat Paint Shop finish system (BSP307 ...
Dupli-Color Paint Shop Finishing System Clear Coat Matte Finish ...
Clear Coat Spray - RustOleum.com

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06/29/2013 1:23 PM

Use automotive clearcoat. A great clearcoat I have found for sealing rusted items is Motostorms Glamour clear. Its a polyurethane more flexible than urethane clears, It adheres amazingly well to rust. Of course, the large rust flakes can be a problem. Your best bet if you want to preserve the large rust flakes, is to either, scrape them off, put a light coat of clear on, then sprinkle them back on..., or hammer the part with LOTS of clear over the course of a few days. This will form a 'bridge' of strength over the looser flakes. The small powdery rust can be a problem. But if you can lay your project flat, using the Glamour clear or a good quality automotive clear, add some retarder to it and hammer on one or two hard coats to the project and leave it be for 24 hrs. This will saturate the rust and the slow retarder is just added insurance for more saturation. A good quality clear must be used though. So many out there are loaded with cheap flash solvents. You can apply with a brush. Mix small amounts at a time. Brush on one light coat, clean your brush while you wait 30 min for first coat to tack up, then repeat until you have the build you want. Do not use foam brushes. Automotive clear will melt them. A natural hair brush is preferred. Try to avoid using Baking Soda. If you MUST use baking soda to neutralize your project, neutralize the project with vinegar after the baking soda. Baking soda will keep your clear coat (or even primer) from adhering to the project at all. Later down the road, especially when exposed to the elements, your clear coat can start to turn cloudy. This is air pockets forming behind the clear as it is trying to delaminate. On thing you can try on rusted items is hang part and spray with muriatic acid. Wire brush in uniform one way strokes. Blow dry with 100 psi air. Spray part with plain water (deionized water if your water is not neutral). Blow dry again with lots of air pressure. Then spray it with a good quality solvent based wax and grease remover. Then blow dry again. At this point let it sit in the hot sun for about 30 min, mix up clear. then bring it in, let it get down close to room temp, and hammer with Glamour Clear with a few drops of retarder added. Then let sit over night. Then sand it with 320p Grit paper, and then apply a few more coats of clear until You get the smooth finish You want.

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06/29/2013 1:31 PM

A couple of links for your info. Http://www.innate.com/Paint/Chrome/glamour.htm http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/good-quality-clear-resonable-price-229444-2.html Good luck!

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Re: Sealing Very Old Moroccan Iron

06/29/2013 4:28 PM

I've specialized in artifact preservation so I'll sit this one out

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06/30/2013 1:18 AM

What color are you going for? Ospho (phosphoric acid) will leave the finish flat black and tight if you chip it a little. It converts the iron oxide to iron phosphate. http://www.ospho.com/directions.htm

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Re: Sealing Very Old Moroccan Iron

06/30/2013 8:35 AM

You need to describe the sealing conditions, or we can't be of much help. If it's a dust shield, it's simple. Pressure, temperature, and fluid or gas parameters are requited.

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Re: Sealing Very Old Moroccan Iron

06/30/2013 6:48 PM

Try this: For an object that you want to preserve, but not restore, I have used a clear coating after using solvent for removing grease and brushing off loose rust and dirt. I started with Penetrol, a paint additive, but it went bad in the can since I used so little at a time. Now I am using varnish, which so far is doing OK. It darkens rusty areas, but brightens painted areas. (I liked Penetrol better, except for gelling in the can.) It appears to protect the surfaces from further deterioration--at least when kept inside in a non-heated building. The secret seems to be to put it on with a cheap brush or even a rag, then wipe it off after it can penetrate a bit, but before it dries. (Makes for sticky hands.) I have even wiped off with paper towels. By wiping off the gross amounts, it does not dry shiny like it has been painted, instead it preserves the patina that I expect you want.

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06/30/2013 7:38 PM

I have had very good luck with artists varnish, usually used for paintings. They will seal things in for a few hundred years.

Spar varnish would also work, the first coat should be thinned to watery texture, and let dry well between coats.

Though I use clear lacquer on my art metalwork pieces, but only because it is so easy to fix when it scratches.

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07/01/2013 3:38 AM

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07/01/2013 10:01 AM

If you want to seal the rust from further rusting you need a product that wont breath. Most varnish will breath. The best I have found is a product called Por15. It will seal, and the product can be left outside without further rusting.

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Re: Sealing Very Old Moroccan Iron

07/01/2013 11:44 AM

I do not want to . . . allow the finish to show in any way.

I assume that this statement means that Migo-1 does not want the finish to show; that is, it should not be shiny even if the finish is clear. That is the same thing I want, which is why I suggested my experiments with wiped-off clear finishes. Perhaps it won't be "sealed," but it certainly offers some protection. We do not know if it is to be stored outside.

I have never used POR15, but have certainly heard of it. I don't even know offhand if it is clear.

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Re: Sealing Very Old Moroccan Iron

07/02/2013 7:48 AM

Try POR-15. Used it on my 1973 Porsche 914 right over the rust in the battery holder area which 914s are prone to. Work very well.

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