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Transformer Isolation for electronic signals

06/02/2007 10:55 PM

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I will like to see the difference among difference processes for signal isolation that can cross the barrier of 2kV and give me clean signal for DC-10Hz range. Among isolation processes so far used, these are very common

Transformer isolation - modulation and demodulation

Optical isolation - direct and VFC-FVC method

Capacitive isolation - 1pF link to high frequency modulation - demodulation

Perhaps there may be few more other processes like relay chopping and capacitor charging etc, but will like to concentrate on some what fast and reliable processes here. My signal dynamic range is 0.01% or 4-decades range. Assuming that I have 0-10V DC to 10Hz signal, we can look into various design processes to see which will work better. Among commercial ICs are

AD210 - magnetic isolation

ISO122 and ISO124 - capacitive isolation

LOC110, LOC210 - Clare

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Re: Transformer Isolation for electronic signals

06/04/2007 12:11 PM

Is your 2 kV ac or dc ? If it's ac I'm assuming its 50 or 60 Hz. Your reqirement for dc to 10 Hz prevents the use of transformers and capacitors. That limits your selection to optical or RF data transfer systems. Of the two optical links are less prone to interference and (in my experience) are more relaible. Digitizing the signal will provide a means of obtaining the DC component as well as providing nearly noise free information replication.

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Re: Transformer Isolation for electronic signals

06/04/2007 12:38 PM

I agree that optical isolation is more or less free from electrical interference and use of ADC is better as data is retained near zero as well.

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Re: Transformer Isolation for electronic signals

06/04/2007 8:39 PM

My experiance is that optocouplers give the best quality in terms of a noise free dynamic range and minimal coupling to external disturbances and have the least problems in manufacturing. If you digitize the signal you only need one opto but if you use analog you need a second one to implement the "feedback" path across the same voltage barrier.

Since you only need ~40db of dynamic range a single coupler and a low bit depth ADC running at a few hundred kilohertz may be cheaper. If the signal's analog a Dual Opto shouldn't be too expenive, and may prove cheaper than a digital solution.

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Re: Transformer Isolation for electronic signals

06/04/2007 9:07 PM

The biggest problem with isolation comes due to analog zero level noise, temperature drifts and gain change over time. I thought of using VFC and FVC method and this has also same problem and netter than 10-bit is difficult even though 1MHz VFC is common.

Some people feel that programmable logic may give problem so they do not want such things in the signal converters. Now the option is clear analog versions only.

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