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Sodium Silicate for Crystal Garden

07/29/2013 7:25 PM

Dear All, I'm trying to grow a crystal garden for my 9 yr old's science project.

Can anyone tell me the optimal concentration of Sodium Silicate solution to use?

What form should I buy it in - liquid or powder?

What is the exact "hydration" I should get if buying it in solid (powder/ crystal) form?

Many thanks for any help.

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Re: Sodium Silicate for Crystal Garden

07/29/2013 9:26 PM

At the risk of seeming difficult, who's project is this?

How about the two of you doing a search of the web and then let him find the information and determine the course of action.

Instructables is a good place to start.

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Don't be a helicopter parent. Let the kid do it them selves. Put him on the keyboard, and someone here will help him.


Good luck, and learn.

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07/30/2013 4:44 PM

We have sat for a while searching for sodium silicate - almost all the hits have been for the liquid form which she has for herself discovered needs to mixed at at ratio of 60% silicate solution and 40% water.

What I couldn't find was a source of dry powder and any information on how concentrated the ideal solution should be. I kind of took this bit of the project on myself (daughter doesn't really care if its liquid, solid or pink with blue spots - just wants "Sodium Silicate").

Will let you know if we find the answer.

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07/30/2013 4:58 PM

Dry powder?

You need liquid Sodium Silicate for this.

The solids you need are metal salts, that "grow" in different colors, depending on the salt used.

Look at this: Magic Salt Crystal Garden using Mrs. Stewart's Bluing

Good luck.

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07/29/2013 10:58 PM

These projects of growing crystals(or magic rocks) are generally recommended for 10+ years of age, but can be grown with close adult supervision....

video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a45jZOc7PRY

"Magic rocks are available on the Internet and are quite inexpensive, but you can make them yourself. These are the salts used to make magic rocks. Some of the colorants are readily available; most require access to a general chemistry lab.

  • White - calcium chloride (found on the laundry aisle of some stores)
  • White - lead (II) nitrate
  • Purple - manganese (II) chloride
  • Blue - copper (II) sulfate (common chemistry lab chemical, also used for aquaria and as an algicide for pools)
  • Red - cobalt (II) chloride
  • Pink - manganese (II) chloride
  • Orange - iron (III) chloride
  • Yellow - iron (III) chloride
  • Green - nickel (II) nitrate

Make the garden by placing a thin layer of sand on the bottom of a 600-ml beaker (or equivalent glass container). Add a mixture consisting of 100-ml sodium silicate solution with 400 ml distilled water. (You can make sodium silicate yourself.) Add crystals or chunks of the metal salts. If you add too many 'rocks' the solution will turn cloudy and immediate precipitation will occur. A slower precipitation rate will give you a nice chemical garden. Once the garden has grown, you can replace the sodium silicate solution with pure water."

Complete instructions for all colors and types....↓

http://chemistry.about.com/od/growingcrystals/a/aa060704a.htm

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07/29/2013 11:14 PM

You've done it again.

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07/31/2013 12:58 AM

Iron chloride is available as etchant for PC boards at Radio Shack.

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07/31/2013 12:55 AM

Just get some aqueous solution and try it. It's less that 20 bucks. I've been shopping for it lately and read up on it in Wikipedia. It's available in all sorts of ways because it is useful for all sorts of things.

I intend to use it for a hardener in casting sand. It will harden up when exposed to CO2. It is used for seal cement on wood stove gaskets and glass, and it is the main ingredient in the stop leak used to seal up a head gasket. It is used in cement as a hardening agent, and refractory sand for casting metals.

It is also used in TSP substitute so you might try the Hardware store.

It is also called waterglass.

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Re: Sodium Silicate for Crystal Garden

07/31/2013 3:07 PM

Suggest you check out the educational site called About.com, check out the sub topic of chemistry. There is one column that they published that even tells you how to make sodium silicate from silica gel dehydrator packets and drain cleaner. They cover magic rocks in another article. This is an excellent free site for all sorts of chemistry experiments aimed at the non expert. You can also refer to PQ Corporation's website for a lot of information about sodium silicate. I would think type "N" would probably work for you.

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