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How to Connect a 220v60hz Dive Compressor to a 110  60hz Generator

09/06/2013 5:21 AM

I have just joined this forum. We are sailing around the world on our catamaran. At the moment we are in Tahiti. When I was in the states , I bought a new westerbeke 7.6 kw generator. I also bought a used Bauer jnr 11 dive compressor that came with a 230v 50 hz motor. I got rid of the motor and on advice from a friend , bought a 220 v 60 hz motor. Reason for this was that I thought the start up spike would be less on a 220 v motor and did not want to damage the new genset. The problem now , is that I don't know how to wire it in. The color scheme of the compressor motor is blue , brown and green/ yellow.ie brown live , blue neutral and green/ yellow earth. All the equipment on the boat is 110v eg air con units , battery charger , microwave etc.it is possible , but a pain in the butt to change the wiring on the genset every time I want to fill the scuba tanks. This is not ideal , but when I get to New Zealand I can try to get a new motor. So for now I need to know how to wire it up to the two 110 poles. Is it possible to connect the two poles together to get 220v( but why then do they call it 240 v? ) if so then I presume the brown hot gets connected to the joined poles. What do I do with the blue neutral wire ? The earth will be connected to the boats earth bar. I have been told that the generator could have handled a 110 v motor in the first place. Thanks guys

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Re: How to conect a 220v60hz dive compressor to a 110  60hz generator

09/06/2013 5:34 AM

Stop work.

Examine the generator, and determine whether it is 110-0-110V "split phase" or not, which is a common arrangement for USA wiring.

  • If it is, then the brown wire goes on one of the 110V lines, the blue on the other 110V terminal, and the green/yellow to the earth terminal.
  • If it is 110-0 "single phase", then the solution is to procure and install a suitably-rated 110/220V step-up transformer to go between the items. The brown wire goes to 220V, the blue to neutral and the green/yellow to the earth terminal.

Make sure that the circuit protective devices remain uncompromised after connection has been made. One wouldn't want to lose the boat to a fire.

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09/06/2013 2:19 PM

Thanks for the prompt replies. Ok....so I messed up. Now what is the quick solution.How do I know if it's a 110-0-110 split phase or not. What I will do is remove the wiring between the generator and DB of boat, then change the power supply from genset to 240 volt. Wire in the compressor . Once tanks are all filled , then revert to original setup. Does this sound right ? Thanks chaps

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09/06/2013 5:20 PM

Are you sure the generator does not already have a 220/240 output (without rewiring or changing something)? Most generators I've seen (US market) will have dual outputs, usually a few standard 110 outlets, and a specialized 220/240 outlet jack. I realize your gen set is made to be wired in, so it doesn't have a distribution panel built in, but it may have a 220/240 output, that just isn't wired up. Switching things back and forth every time you want to use the compressor would be a major pain.

If you are not familiar with wiring, it might be a good time to invite an electrician onboard.

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09/07/2013 7:28 AM

The scary thing about your statements is that you tought that you could join the two 110V together to make 220V !! But, in any case, I will vwnture the following:

If you have a voltmeter (??? possible?) and know how to use it, then check the voltage between the two 110V outputs. If you read 220V, then you are OK. Connect one wire from each 110V oulet (or pole) and connect them to the motor's poles. You can use a separate plug, only for this motor if you can wire it properly (or feel confident) The earth will still be on the yellow/green.

Otherwise (and wiser!), seek a qualified electrician to check it and do the special plug for the 220V oulet. You do not want to lose the genset or someone arround you, or have a mishap in the high sea. You should not try to rewire the DB each time because you will be compounding the possibilities of errors etc.

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09/06/2013 7:37 AM

All PWSlack's electrical advice is good.

Changing motor from 50Hz to 60 Hz will increase the pump speed by 20%. This may just increase the power required by 50% but maybe the pump is not rated for 20% faster. Were these factors considered?? Having a compressor fail while you are "full fathom five" is not healthy!

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09/06/2013 7:54 AM

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09/06/2013 10:25 AM

Re-read the OP's post, he already changed out the motor for a 60Hz model.

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09/07/2013 5:18 PM

Dear Tom D.

He changed the motor, upping the speed 20% (with same number of poles), but does not say the PUMP was OKed for the higher speed - consequently I commented.

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09/06/2013 1:01 PM

I did a bit of digging and here is what I found.

Westerbeke 7.6 KW diesel genset specs pdf

It's listed as having a 12/240 VAC 63/31.5 amp output with a 50 amp primary circuit breaker.

From that I would suspect that your main power panel is in fact a 120 - 0 - 120 setup with 240 VAC available across the two 120 VAC lines.

As far as the motor rating of 220 VAC goes that not really that important. Pretty much every electric motor has a input voltage rating of 5% of so below the common line voltages it is intended to be used on.

Also given the old motor was rated for 220 VAC 50 Hz when run on 240 VAC 60 Hz it would have had no problems other than the 6/5th higher speed output which more than likely your multistage scuba compressor would not have had any issues with. If it did all you would have had to do is put a new drive pulley on the motor that was 5/6th the diameter of the original one.

Personally I think you may have just spent a lot more money than needed on nothing that will give you any justified returns in the end by changing motors.

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09/06/2013 1:13 PM

I smell smoke tmctech gave you just about all you need......best of luck

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09/06/2013 4:45 PM

Can you take a picture of the Gen and Motor nameplate information and post it here?

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