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HVAC/R - Recovering Liquid Refrigerant

09/24/2013 3:05 PM

Hello, I am new to the forum but have read many posts and found a lot of useful information. I recently had to recover approximately 600lbs of refrigerant from a Trane water-cooled screw chiller and was curious about different recovery methods that technicians use.

While on this particular job I used the standard "push-pull" method to recover the liquid in the system (About 150lbs) and then proceeded to recover the remaining (~450lbs) vapor using the standard vapor recovery method. This took nearly 8 hours, even with two recovery machines.

My question is, since the chiller had an operational compressor, would it be possible to set up a liquid recovery as such:

Attach liquid port of recovery cylinder to liquid line service port of chiller.

Attach vapor port of recovery cylinder to suction service port of chiller.

Run compressor and recover liquid from circuit (of course monitoring amount recovered with scales and gauges, and having ensured proper water flow through chiller) Basically I want to run the compressor so I know where the liquid in the circuit is, and can recover a large percentage of refrigerant as a liquid, rather than waiting hours and hours to pull out the vapor.

Would recovering refrigerant in this manner pose a threat to the oil flow while compressor was running because of any problems with the differential that the oil needs to move? I have been told that you can recover up to about 80% of the unit's charge as liquid in this manner before low differential pressure poses a threat.

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09/24/2013 3:22 PM

To my knowledge most compressors rely on the lubricant in the coolant, so as you deplete the coolant you may reach the point at which the compressor fails - but if you are draining the coolant because the unit is being disposed or replaced, and there is no future use for it, then it doesn't matter.

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09/24/2013 3:31 PM

I'm not an HVAC guy, but it sounds feasible if you were somehow able to create pressure on the back side, to push the vapor into the compressor at the same pressure that it normally runs at.

Maybe just a separate air compressor to keep the system pressurized, cutting off the AC compressor before the air hits it.

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09/24/2013 4:16 PM

It would seem to be plausible that the pressure differential is maintained to a certain point of somewhere in that neighborhood....but I wouldn't roll the dice without an endorsement by Trane that this is an accepted practice....

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09/24/2013 6:09 PM

Sounds like you're talking about using a pulldown mode, except you would be putting the refrigerant into a temporary recovery tank instead of a permanent receiver. I don't see any problem as long as you limit the time (probably 3 to 5 minutes max.) and get any oil back into the system when you recharge it.

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09/24/2013 7:19 PM

I would have put it in the reciever

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09/24/2013 10:46 PM

Thanks for the feedback. Will be trying this method later this week and will post results.

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09/28/2013 6:26 PM

first off, a compressor is NOT a liquid pump, it is a vapor pump that works by compressing gas (vapor), if you attempt to pump liquid with it you will grenade it. if you introduce liquid refrigerant into the suction side of the compressor you will also wash out the bearings. I understand what you're trying to do and I strongly advise against it. put as much of the refrigerant as possible into the receiver and condenser coil. if it takes 2-3 recovery machines to evacuate it.......charge the customer, its part of the deal.

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09/28/2013 7:06 PM

Thanks for the feedback. Will be trying this method later this week and will post results.

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