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Self Starting Synchronous Motor

10/03/2013 6:38 PM

This has been bothering me for a while. A motor can run up to near synchronous speed, it's that last step from asynchronous to synchronous speed that's bugging me.

There's got to be a problem of pole slip at the changeover point. Pole slip could destroy the mechanical parts of a machine.

I'll be honest I've never worked on synchronous motors (most others I have) so how is a smooth transition achieved?

Using a shaft mount exciter then the synchronising current can be built up gradually, but I still can't get rid of the problem of pole slip.

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Re: Self starting synchronous motor.

10/03/2013 7:21 PM

It's tricky, you're right, that's why you ned a protection system for them. You have to time it right, but when you find the sweet spot, usually at around 95% speed, then the poles will pull it into line. That spot is always slightly lower than the slip speed of the amortisseur winding, so it's not really that hard to get there if the load is consistent, but it definitely warrants watching it. That is sometimes done by ear, but most often it's a function built into the protection relaying system, the same one that is watching out for pole slip.

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Re: Self starting synchronous motor.

10/03/2013 8:41 PM

The trick is when the field is applied. A synchronous motor that is intended to be started as an induction motor has an additional set of windings or bars known as amortisseur windings, kind of like the rotor cage in an induction motor.

So the motor is started without the field winding energized, relying instead on the amortisseur to bring up to 95% +/- speed. At that point the field is connected and the excitation current is ramped up (depends upon the size and design). Since it takes time for the field to build up (it's a big inductor with time constants that are many cycles long) the pull in to synchronism isn't instantaneous so the rotor poles "catch up" to the rotating MMF from the stator rather smoothly.

It's not the same as an out of phase synchronization of a generator where you can damage the machine if you're too far out of phase. In that case the field is already built up so the MMF from the rotor is sufficiently strong to either mesh with, or conflict with the stator MMF.

Think of it as engaging a hydraulic coupling, the two shafts are running at different speeds but the viscous fluid absorbs the shock until they are rotating at the same speed, except here it's the ramping MMF in the air gap that is providing the "viscosity" until the field is at full strength.

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10/03/2013 9:34 PM

Thank you both, it's going to take a while for this to sink in.

I think you can understand my question about pole slip and the damage it could do.

My only experience of synchronous machines has been believe it or not with rotary converters. (I'm showing my age.) They used a pony motor which with the converter acting as an inductor would run up and self synchronise.

Don't be surprised if I come back with more questions.

One of the places I worked had four old 1500HP synchronous mill motors, in the year I was there I never even saw them run. The new plant had two 6000HP mills, but they were standard slipring machines. The bigger mills were far more efficient.

The little mills would run at night when I would be many miles away.

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10/05/2013 10:49 PM

TonyS,

One side benefit from a synchronous motor is that by varying the DC field, you can have it correct the plant's power factor (the details would require a method of measuring the power factor and automatically changing the field as needed). That is why synchronous motors have been called "rotary condensers" (an old school term for capacitor), and sometimes are run without any load.

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10/18/2013 12:25 PM

Whew! For a minute there the thread title had me thinking this might be like Christine.

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