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Buck Converter Current Characteristics

10/25/2013 8:34 AM

If I have a buck converter connected to a solar panel and the panel is giving out 17v at 5 amps. Is it possible to get say half the voltage at twice the current out of the buck converter? I know that mppt solar controllers use a buck converter and can convert extra voltage to current so does the same apply to a normal buck converter?

This is the one I have. It has what looks like two mosfets but one of them is actually some sort of switching controller that is shaped like a mosfet but has five pins. It can go up to 15 amps.

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Re: Buck Converter Current Characteristics

10/25/2013 3:02 PM

That is pretty much how it should work subject, of course, to the efficiency of the converter.

So in practice your 5A @ 17V may work out to a tad less than 10A @ 8.5V.

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10/25/2013 3:12 PM

Just don't let it become too hot. I suspect that your cooling will be inadequate the way you present it.

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10/25/2013 11:24 PM

You must have schematic for the circuit. Ask the manufacturer to give you schematic.

Normally a switching device is used and its frequency components is very important. It required some R and C timing network and then you need to have power diode just after switching transistor / MOSFET.

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10/26/2013 4:17 AM

In general for any buck converter the output power is nearly all of the input power, less some loss power. The efficiency, we'll call it η = output power / input power. η is a number close to 1.0, hopefully 0.9 or higher, and it's usually expressed as a percentage, e.g. 90%. If η = 1.0, then since Vin Iin = Vout Iout, you can say Iout = Iin Vin/Vout.

So then if Vout/Vin = 0.5, as you specified, and Vin/Vout = 2, then Iout = 2.0 Iin. If you know (or guess) for example that η = 0.9 or 90%, then the loss current is (1-η) Vin/Vout, and your output current would be Iout = η Iin Vin/Vout, and for the case you specified, Iout = 2.0 η Iin = 1.8 Iin. You would have lost 10% of the input power. Most of this loss would go into the heat sinks on your converter, some would be lost in the inductor and some in the esr of the electrolytic caps.

What's the output voltage of your pictured converter, e.g., 14 volts to charge a battery? Or something else? Is your converter setup to deliver an output current rather than a voltage? If so, then you can parallel converter outputs into your battery, etc. (you cannot directly parallel voltage outputs).

All buck converters need a switch in series with the input voltage and the energy-storage inductor, right? They will have a catch diode, which keeps the inductor current flowing to the output after the input switch is opened, or they may have a second switch in place of the diode, to eliminate the 0.7-volt drop and improve efficiency. That's called synchronous switching. The switch and the diode, or both switches, need to be mounted on a heat sink.

The input switch is often a MOSFET. There's a controller to run the switches, and sometimes the bucking-switch MOSFET is inside the controller. That would be the case for a 5-pin TO-220 package, like you mentioned. If you can read the part numbers on the semiconductors mounted on the heat sinks, we might be able to give better advice! For example, the feedback control pin of the controller can be located and you can reverse-engineer what's connected to it, and see what mode it's running in, etc.

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10/26/2013 9:04 AM

Ok. After having a better look, one of the mosfet shaped things is a 2045CTP schottky rectifier and the other is some form of mosfet shaped switching controller. The part number on that one has been sanded off. On the bottom there is a large surface mount diode with GFK249 on it.

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10/26/2013 9:43 AM

Question, why would you want to reduce voltage? Those of us in the industry have been relentlessly pushing voltage higher, and converting or inverting to the required voltage for loads, which with solar, rarely coincide with the timing of demand parameters presented by loads. Conductor materials, over current protection and power efficiencies are much more managable at higher voltages.

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10/27/2013 3:25 PM

Your right there. I have had 2 so far that have failed. They had a surface mount controller chip on the bottom and thicker wire with less turns on the inductor.

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10/28/2013 11:55 AM

i donno about how good the circuit unles i get a model no of your 5-pin controller (that's why i call it crap - coz you can't find such listed on their sales site - all i can think of it is poor doc.-n on sales site ?= need to hide(cover up) some shortcomings ???)

anyway what's the point of failure - they specify it as adjustable output voltage - why don't you adjust it to your need (? no doc.-n how to do so) - i attempted to find the chip by specs on their site that're probably copy pasted from buck controller datasheet - with no luck (the google hanged (as usual) so i went offline - did something that can be done in real time - muhahaa)

shortly what's printed on that 5-pin thingy also on any other chip there

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10/28/2013 1:49 PM

i don't want to e-search it anymore - open issues ::
1) the type of your regulator
2) ? input limiting (is it designed for solar array or for 6/12/18/24V battery)
3) is the 5A max/ (also if it(max)'s) continuous/peak output (gained by: as is/additional cooling)
4) design verification (are used components(each of) capable to perform according to design specifications) ...

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10/28/2013 2:39 PM

INSANE:blind gues::
LTC4449
LT1683 unlikely (has 22uH filter)
LT1339
the similar chips may be produced by HTH knows what company - so good luck

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10/28/2013 12:56 PM

First one connected wrongly? Cooling issue?

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10/30/2013 5:20 PM

I have never had them overheat. One just shorted out because I touched the controller chip while it was on. The fuse blew and the whole thing was totally shorted after.

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10/31/2013 4:23 PM

(Super!) how about the LT's paint it book

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