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How to Make Sticky Trap for Adhesive Trees

12/03/2013 8:25 AM

I have searched on line for a list of ingredients for sticky glue, as is used in insect and rodent traps,to no avail.

The bulk glue is around $35 dollars a gallon.A little more than I want to pay,if I can mix up a batch myself.The glue needs to remain sticky even when wet with water,so I suspect it is petroleum based .

There is also a water-reactivated type of sticky glue used on the EKG heart monitor probes,and the TENS units.It seems to be water proof, even though water re- activates the adhesive.However, I suspect it would dissolve if soaked in water.

Any of you gentlemen have a formula for the DIY guy?

Thanks in advance for all advice.

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Re: How to make sticky trap for adhesive trees

12/03/2013 8:41 AM

You can keep it ecological and make a glue with boiling linseed (flax). In the old days it has been used to trap birds on twigs.

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12/03/2013 8:56 AM

An alternative glue can be a ever sticky removable glue, that is used in the paper- and packing industry, Henkel has some different types. These are not that expensive. You can dilute these to a syrup. It resembles the glue as used on mouse and rat traps. But with the right viscosity insects will be stuck on it too.

Dust will be the enemy #1 to cover the surface and make it non- sticky.

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12/03/2013 9:34 AM

$35 a gallon sounds pretty reasonable. You could make a lot of fly strips with a gallon of goop, that you know is going to work.

I know that if you take some regular oil based paint and cut it with diesel fuel, it won't dry for a long, long time, if ever; and it stays sticky. Maybe add a dash of bacon grease to the mix, to get the bugs attracted.

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12/03/2013 4:41 PM

Thanks for the info.I took some walnut stain, put in some maple flavoring, some bacon grease, a little salt,some cane syrup,some heavy corn syrup,about 1/2 cup of cane sugar, and a little cream cheese.Cooked it down to a paste consistency.

Don't know how it's gonna work on the trees, but is sure is good on pancakes!

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12/03/2013 12:29 PM

Are trying to keep bugs from climbing up trees?

If so, I think you can just wrap some foil around the trunk, tape it top and bottom, and rub some petroleum jelly on the foil.

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12/03/2013 1:30 PM

If you have adhesive trees what you need glue for. Just tap the trees.

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12/03/2013 2:11 PM

Trying to beat $35 a gallon is a tough target to hit.

I have used Tree Tanglefoot on and off for years. It is non toxic and depending upon dust and other factors it stays sticky for about 6 months. I get it by ordering it from the Ace Hardware web site and take advantage of free warehouse to store delivery.

If you order some I suggest you talk to the store manager first. Some Ace Hardware stores do pretty well at reading their paperwork. Others don't. I had an order (pre paid on internet) where the store could not find it. Turns out they took everything that came in the door and put it on the shelf. They finally found it on the shelf and gave it to me. I'm glad I didn't have to find out what would happen if they had already sold it to someone else.

I have heard Tanglefoot works well at stopping bugs from climbing up the tree trunk. That is what the manufacturer sells it for. I normally don't bother trying to use it for that. There are bugs everywhere in Florida.

I mix one or two bottles of powdered cayenne pepper into one tube of Tanglefoot. I then spread it on the branches of the mango tree. It doesn't stop the squirrels from eating the mangos but it does seem to slow them down. If they step in it then they have thick, sticky, waterproof goop on their paws and it is full of cayenne pepper. If I served Coronas and corn chips with it then it might draw squirrels. But, by itself they don't seem fond of the menu.

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12/03/2013 2:42 PM

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Rodent trap adhesives are what are called "High tack hot melt adhesives". These have extremely high solids content, usually 100%. They are manufactured by putting the base chemical into a reactor, heating it and then adding the additional ingredients. During manufacture they have the added benefit that no solvents are usually given off so extensive exhaust and pollution equipment is necessary other than normal for the plant. They are solid at room temp and must be heated to flow such as the application onto a piece of cardboard for rodents. For this application most formulations for it are still tacky after exposure to water. Also if used outdoors they tend to adhere so many other things, pollen, leaves, bugs, litter, etc. that they can become filled and lose their available tack soon.

Besides rodent traps these are used for packaging, arts and crafts, cardboard cartons, and many other applications. In packaging it is mostly seen as a yellow or brown solid line of glue after the cardboard pieces are removed from each other vs. the flat line from a PVA or dextrin base.

The formulations for these are available in a book by Irving Skeist named "The Handbook of Adhesives". This is available in many large libraries, perhaps a county library. A word of caution, there are at least several thousand formulations for hot melt glues. It could be hard to find the right one. These adhesives usually run around several dollars or more per pound so your source at $35 is not extremely high. The higher cost of gallons is due to the increased manual labor, higher container costs per pound and other associated costs. If the volume warrants it, a 5 gallon container would be much cheaper per gallon and per pound.

Another alternative would be to contact several other hot melt adhesive manufacturers. They might be a source. The formulas for rodent adhesives are not new and there are generic formulas and products out there. It just takes some time to look. These products have been around since the late 70's.

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12/03/2013 5:28 PM

how do you want to use this glue? what are you attempting to achieve?

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12/03/2013 6:11 PM

I have several pecan trees that are subject to weevils, that crawl up the tree from the ground.Also bag worms crawl up from the ground.My intent is to trap them before they get to the tops of the trees.

I am not sure of the mouse trap glue, but the medical glue that is used for TENS pads can be rinsed with water and reactivated.This would be ideal,because pollen and dust could be washed away.

Any idea if there is a difference in the types of glue?

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12/03/2013 6:20 PM

have you tried polished sheet metal wrapped on the tree trunk? they get no traction and cant climb

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12/03/2013 6:28 PM

Others in my area have tried it without success.

Good idea for squirrels,but not for bugs.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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12/03/2013 10:48 PM

Tanglefoot is the right answer. We use it to keep our elm trees intact. You have to recoat every couple of months, but it works a treat.

Better than spraying with detergent. Which also works come to think of it, but you can't do it too often. The detergent kills ALL insects by dissolving the protective oil on their backs. Wevils will be killed, as will every beneficial insect.

Nope..tanglefoot IS the answer. Cheap at twice the price if you value your trees. A foot wide strip will fill up with weevils during certain parts of the year and you can recoat just before that happens.

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12/04/2013 4:42 AM

Have you tried peppermint oil. Its very good against hard body insects like weevils by dissolving their exoskeleton. If you add 1 tablespoon of peppermint oil and 1 tablespoon of household detergent to a gallon of water. This way it will stay on the bark and leaves without damaging the leaves. Too much detergent will strip the waxy coating off the trees along with suffocating the insects like the bag worms. You'll need to apply after rainfall also don't apply while trees are in bloom because of killing bees. For sticky traps I've bought tape for around the base of trees to keep bag worms and tent worms of trees. Also sticky traps hanging from trees with different colors and pheromones to attracted flying insects.

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12/04/2013 5:00 AM

I almost forgot a good old stand by used in my forestry days against gypsy moths. Rap duct tape around the trees base about 4-10" wide and cover with petroleum jelly. Prevents all worms and most other types of insects from crawling up your tree. Its also very inexpensive. You also need only to apply it once a year.

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12/04/2013 12:59 PM

Here's a link to the technique the Charlotte city arborist uses, which employs tanglefoot, but only needs to be done once a year.

http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/epm/services/landscaping/pages/fall%20cankerworm.aspx

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12/04/2013 1:27 PM

Tanglefoot works and is not all that expensive if you buy it by the pot. I really do not think you can make something as effective for less. It lasts until dust and debris use up all the sticky. One tub ought to last for years. You only need to put a 2" band around the tree at eye level to minimize the dust and dirt. How much effort are you willing to spend to save a few bucks?

Most insects can walk up glass; metal might stop the worms.

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