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Warpage in Thin Wall PP Lids

12/17/2013 11:49 PM

We have a problem of warpage in thin wall lids (Thickness of 0.45mm dia 120mm) produce from PP homo polymer. The process of molding is Injection Molding.Please HELP us to get rid of the problem

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Re: Warpage in thin wall PP Lids

12/17/2013 11:58 PM

No way anybody here can help with nothing more to go on than that.

Send a drawing of the mold, showing gate locations, and runner system, number of cavities, cooling channels, and include all processing parameters. (temp. pressure, speed, hold time, material, drying time/temp......................the list goes on and on.

Your tooling manufacturer and material supplier may be able to help, if you have noone on staff who can dial the process in.

Or, hire somebody to fix it.

You will never get a flat, unrestrained lid. Warpage goes with the material.

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Re: Warpage in thin wall PP Lids

12/18/2013 3:10 AM

Thanks for the info.

However, I have seen flat lids. Any guess on material blending ?

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Re: Warpage in thin wall PP Lids

12/18/2013 4:33 AM

For pities sake... he's just explained that guess work is no good and that we need information.
So what do you do?
You ask for another guess.
I suggest you sit on the naughty step and re-read reply #1.
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12/18/2013 8:23 AM

An AP with a furry head and paws, eh?

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12/18/2013 8:41 AM

Who'd have thunk it?
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Re: Warpage in Thin Wall PP Lids

12/18/2013 10:53 PM

I would try annealing or stress relieving between flat metal plates. This might give you some clues.

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12/18/2013 11:09 PM

That might work, but lots of expense to do.

Seems like poor gate location/size/quantity, and inconsistent cooling/part shrinkage in the mold may be the problem.

Hard to tell.

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12/19/2013 12:07 AM

Fine tune all steps of process, use good raw material and get somebody who understands the process.

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Re: Warpage in Thin Wall PP Lids

12/19/2013 12:23 AM

PP homopolymer is usually partly crystalline at ambient temperatures. Depending upon the RATE of cooling through the melt range in the mold, the crystallinity will vary, thus the density will minutely vary. Non-uniform cooling patterns are guaranteed to cause warpage in the molded part.

Particular attention must be given to the layout of the temperature controlling systems (both heating and cooling), which generally means several independent cooling circuits must be provided. It may be necessary to cool mold followers and cores individually.

I recommend "old but good" info from:
H. Gemmer, A. Hoerburger and H. Geyer
Industrie-Anzeiger Nos 53 & 62, vol.6 & 7, dated 25.6.1971 and 27.7.1971

Since the molds are already designed and built, consider additives (not to breach specification for FDA approval, chemical compatibility etc) which may yield uniform crystallinity regardless of cooling rate. Uniform crystallinity is your friend, when eliminating warpage, whether it is brought about by proper mold design or by clever polymer design.


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12/19/2013 10:05 AM

Thanks for the info.

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12/19/2013 11:28 AM

Agreed. Proper mold cooling/heating is very often overlooked as a critical process parameter.

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Re: Warpage in Thin Wall PP Lids

12/22/2013 9:55 PM

Initially the problem area is to be ascertained ie. on which side of the lid the warpage exists. Then the die can machined with a surface which has a contour opposite to the direction of the warpage such that after the mould operation the done it gets straightened.

Another method is to adopt is differential cooling , ie. to cool the area faster in which the warpage exists, than the area in which it is OK.two seperate water jackets can be used with different flow rates.

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Re: Warpage in Thin Wall PP Lids

01/28/2015 11:18 AM

by providing I sectioned ribs diametrically at 2 locations, , problem may be solved,

If not required , then remove those sections.

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