Bulletproof

I highly doubt it. [Duplicate thread.]

Yes, ceramic plates that soldiers use.

Even 12" of solid oak will not stop a 30-06 round, which is not that much more powerful than a .308 Winchester. Kind of redefines the definition of "cover".

If you could simply paint something on a surface, the military would be using it on their uniforms.

Do you know what the product is called.?

I have been checking nano technology and the others so far applied for distrubutorship no answer yet

Well, I suppose concrete could be called a coating.

Apply to walls in thickness of eight, maybe ten inches, and the walls will become bullet resistant (not bullet proof).

doorman could you send me an mail adress it is not happenng it keeps saying it can proces at the moment

It's called ceramic plates and it could not, in any way, be considered a paint.

Ceramic armor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, I think it is time to explain why you want this and if what you are doing is legal.

i appreciate the concern Please check my webb site www.conrenturkey.com we have projects of government buildings i want to buy tonnes of this product as well to be distrubutor for the products. i m the president of this firm

Given your considerable financial resources, you might want to contact makers of armor plates or the raw materials suppliers to them.

I expect your best hope is to commission a (paid) consultant to investigate this. Or contact local government/military agencies.

Considering the amount of energy stored in a high velocity rifle projectile, this will be no small task.

I dont want to drift away from the actual subject. My aim is finding such a chemical paint for coating the surface which will work as either bullet ressistance or bulletproof. Otherwise Iknow There are a lot of armour bulletproof materials to do Job Im looking for something to spray to spray to the surface and bring the surface up to level of thicknes to make it either bullet resistance in a high percentagewise or bulletproof preferably. For example paint called polyurea (in U.S army called dragon shield produced by SPI) Check their webbsite or youtube Dragonshiled polyurea. Ihave contacted the firm Unfortunately they have already distrubutora all around the world.I had known such product or chemical similiar to that or another company doing similiar polyurea bullet resistance or bullet proof ; I could start initiating. We Have all the necessary legal requirements.

You can't stop a bullet with a coat of paint.

You can't get something for nothing.

Dragon-Shield is a isocyanate polyurethane coating. It is tough, but NOT bullet proof.

It is used to coat boat hulls and make pond liner.

You want us to do your research and development study, instead of partnering with a polymer, or coating company.

Hire somebody, or get a partner. Free help usually isn't motivated to help other people make money.

You dont have to reply to my issues why are getting hyper All i thought if there is anybody out there to be able give me knowledge and advice or informaition whether such product is available i m sorry that you think that way. simply dont reply and i won't be your waste of time.

Good luck! Will a commission be forthcoming to anyone who provides you with a commercially viable product?

Maybe Doorman can help. He's pretty clever.

Just for the record no need to be that much of a capitalist person. sometimes it's good to have friend on the otherside of the world. you never know. Again accept my apologises if i got you offended.

The Dragon Shield coating you are referring to is not for bullet proofing. It's used for blast mitigation. Similar product are Rhino Lining and Armorthane.

Thanks You are right i have checked the sites before Ithink i come to the conclusion that i should used type of polyurea product and use plenty of it so that it would resist as much as possible and make least damage against 7.62 mm rounds of bullet on the walls as well as on the police cabins

I know this isn't your question, but I'll comment on your image:

For a period of time, British foot soldiers wore a snappy looking uniform with a gear suspender (it may have simply been decorative) that crossed over the chest.

This was discovered by those unfriendly to be an excellent spot for bullet placement. Thus, the Brits had unwittingly provided a bullseye on their soft targets. This was a very convenient arrangement from the perspective of whomever happened to be antagonistic towards the Brits and had a musket in their hands.

From the perspective of a security consultant, the small hard target shown in your image has a very similar issue. I don't know if your customer is asking for your help along this line or not, but every problem has many facets.

Not to mention what kind of liability he is taking on when whatever protection he is contracted to provide fails and the first bullet wounds or kills the occupant.

I suspect the security kiosk shown would be considered a medium value hard target, more a candidate for explosive round than shoulder fired rifle... especially if populated with three or four guys escaping the afternoon heat.

As you say, there are many, many things not mentioned here so far.

I'm still curious why someone who is "loaded" would seek technical help from an anonymous, forum with no known credentials, for something seething with multiple liability issues and performance requirements unknown to us all.

Oh, he wants it to be a paint-on solution, that much we do know.

Pardon the play on words.

i knew you love conspiracy theories. when you had asked me in the beginning i should explain why i m looking for such product or if what i m doing is legal. i m afraid you are wrong again. You are in a different world mr/miss lyn. Your biggest excuse to attack i said I m loaded. It was just simple reaction to your cheap attidues and being so much money oriented. Unfortunately you still dont get it. But Whatever you say mate.. You know in a way your approach is the problem but you dont want to accept it yet. Why dont you digg it more. may be you find something..

Forget polyurethane for bullet proofing. It doesn't matter how much you put on.

Poly"urea" is different from poly"urethane".

Both include isocynates but the "urea" component is a carbamide whereas the "urethane" component is a carbamate.

You probably know that the "poly" just means many of whatever we're discussing.

You'd have to look at physical properties of each to determine the differences and each manufacturer's formulation will be slightly different, and proprietary.

I know but they're both "plasticky" and won't stop bullets. Urea or urethane the end result is the same...dead people.

Well, they do have similar properties, but they also posses some unique characteristics.

It's been too long since I've looked at the data on them so I'm not saying I know the intricacies of each.

"Plasticky" is a good thing, usually.

I do know when something is feasible and when it's just wishful thinking. Like a "something for nothing" wish.

I also know this is a fools errand, and I just here for the laughs now.

Keep laughing mate that what it suits you most

some people feel if they continue to ask the same question over and over the answer they really want to hear will eventually come. there IS NO BULLET-PROOF PAINT!

I'd settle for something that is rock-proof for my car.

Rock-proof? Here ya go.↓

Any color, as long as it's black.

So easy, even a child can do it.

Ah, the Black Hole of the open road...

After having our security team analyze this picture we have come to the conclusion that the best method to attack this station is not with bullets.

Rather, one only needs a roll of duct tape. A few wraps around the shack would immobilize any personnel inside the shack.

It is meee.

Yikes! Sorry about your luck.

Maybe you need another job if you find yourself a target.

Or, invest in some level IIIa body armor.

Stay safe.

a buddy of mine used to work at Ceradyne , they used a sandwich of Kevlar and various ceramics that the army uses as replaceable plates in their vests, they can survive a 50 caliber round...........once, then they offer little protection. they've worked on expansing that quite a bit, but the ceramic basically shatters as it disburses energy from the round

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Imagine trying to armor plate whole building$. OK, only the glass.

Ok, I'm cynical and an a$$hole. So, shoot me. Go ahead, I'm wearing a P-urea suit.

LynDoor™Industries may have found another niche to fill.

SuperToughBulletBounceBack comes to mind.

If you make it, it would be a miracle!

No, there is not.

They are working on a polymer coating that shows promise....maybe in a few years....

http://www.gizmag.com/mit-breakthrough-paper-thin-bullet-proof-armor/24971/

From the link, "but progress has been hampered by their inability to reliably test such materials against projectile impacts."

That's because they are not allowed to have guns. :-)

Even if successful, and it should be noted they are talking about pistol rounds, not rifle rounds, you still have to dissipate that energy somewhere.

Even level IIIa vests will stop a pistol round, but you are likely to get one hell of a painful bruise (blunt forced trauma).

Stopping a rifle round requires a whole other category of armor. A pistol round is likely to penetrate an interior wall of a house, but a .308 Winchester will easily go through that house.

i have found plenty of product against blastproof. But finding a chemical paint and creating bullet proof walls and cabins seems a bit difficult

I've been involved with many projects requiring perimeter and interior partitions to be resistant to ballistic penetration.

There is no magic coating that can be applied to some existing walls, doors, floors, windows, etc. to make them 'Bullet Proof'.

There are bullet resistant components available for inclusion into a building. Have a look here for starters.

Thanks Doorman it was helpful i have sent them an e-mail all i can say if i have any succes with them i will put a smile on you If not .. Then please think you have a turkish friend on the otherside ofthe world and ever come to Turkey simply just let me know.

Kind Regards..

Looks like they are used to stop pistol rounds only.

Again, not going to stop a high power rifle round such as the 7.62 mm caliber.

Hi Doorman have you received my mail? Could i have your thoughts?

Regards..

Naki (original poster) and I visited a little bit privately. After these messages, I have some general observations to share with our OP and the group.

A) The business about 7.62: 7.62 means.... what? 7.62X51NATO, 7.62X54mmR, 7.62X63, 7.62X39, something else? Undefined, thus threat level remains undefined. At any rate, the endgame is to harden these little shacks... make the walls (not the building, just the walls) as attack resistant as feasible, to some undefined extent. This is the bothersome part. We recognize this as a pointless venture, too little. This is his customer's request.

B) Today is the first mention about shotguns... are the typical assailants prowling the streets armed with shotguns? With slugs, birdshot, 00 buck, or what?

C) We discussed a product called BallistiCrete. This shows some promise, but it has several logistical issues yet undiscussed:

• C.1) It appears a thickness of 2" is recommended as a minimum here... the website info is a little sketchy, but let's run with that for now. The room would be 4" smaller each direction, and this requires any casework inside the building to be reworked; Light switches and convenience outlets need to be reworked for the thicker wall, as do the windows and door... there is probably more I haven't thought of yet.
• C2) Time, and scale of project: A wild guess is each building will take about seven or eight man-days of labor to complete. Add to this the curing time of the BallistiCrete, and you have about three weeks, start to finish, of each building. Three weeks each building will be, in effect, out of service. This sucks. Eight man-days per, with 400 such buildings to do... 3,200 man-days. Let's say six guys are on it, so about 500 calendar work days. or about two years total for all. What is the expected life of these little kiosks? How long have they already been in place?

That's enough for now. Whew...

Why don't you just use a fast drying, bullet proof paint?

See ya!

It sounds like Naki needs to contact a security specialist firm and review all of the options here.

Security is a lot more than simply hardening a wall and window. It typically is a layered approach to securing an area or building and this is where a consulting security firm can provide a solution that meets either a budget or a threat level requirement.

It seems like a bad decision to take on a life-critical design without professional help.

I think he is aspiring to become a supplier of "security" without the bother and cost of expert, local help.

Think I've had enough of this.

Thanks i will check the webbsite

have you seen the damage a 7.62 round does? and you want a coat of paint to stop it! How thick do you think we should apply this paint?

i used to be in the british army myself 3 coy 10 parachute regiment i fired the weapon many times i have lived in U.k for 26 years. so far thick polyurea could solve the problem %65 obviously thicker it gets the more costs occures. say for instance for sq meter 35-50 euro using 5-6 kg

As a matter of fact I do… :-)

7.62mm NATO AP M993 rounds will penetrate 16mm (0.63 inches) of RHA steel at 300 meters range.

5.56mm NATO AP M995 rounds will penetrate 12mm (0.47 inches) of RHA steel at 100 meters range.

Both are modern tungsten-core rounds used by the military.

Maybe it would be cheaper for Miriclemaker to do what they do in California and just post a sign:

Politicians are absolutely convinced that this works.

i liked that Thank you ha ha haa.. if only the world was john lennon style

John Lennon?

Yeah... he could have used some of this bullet proof paint.

As has been said... there is no magic coating. Bullet resistance is like making a good quality product: It is something that must be built-in... it cannot be checked in, it cannot be added later, it cannot be sprayed on.

Despite the confidence expressed by my most esteemed partner at LynDoor™ Defense Industries, we have no arrows available in our quiver that satisfy your request.

Surely your end users have some performance criteria you must build to. What do those criteria say?

yes his famous song (imagine) world without guns bullets no customs no visas everyone happy to walk free to any country. no barriers no soldiers(then some body brought everyone back to reality unforrtunately the way of the world

Ok that thats a good question to ask. one of the french company coming over to Turkey for a demostration. but they also claim there is no such bulletproof coating paintwise but they are saying they have a product which will resist the bullet %75 percent no guarentees on saving human lives . It would minize the fatality They think if they Increase the thickness percentage would be increased.

I did find a company called STEC that make bullet resistant film and shields.

For windows they have a solution that is 46mm thick that will stop a NATO 7.62mm round.

I can't find out how thick the laminate is they make, but it probably is not as resistant and their glass.

The problem is you are trying to stop a lot of energy in a small profile package designed to penetrate very hard substances.

Militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world have spent amazing amounts of money for developing resistant armor. I would start with what they are doing and see what is already available.

I just finished a STEC application in a school. Aftermarket film applied to glass with the thought it will reduce possible breach of perimeter security by making a sort of laminated glass out of tempered glass, thus when attacked (tire iron, baseball bat, brick) it maintains integrity. While it probably helps in this respect, it most certainly would not stop a projectile fired from a .22 caliber rifle, let alone threat level III.

(I see in the ad that it will help to resist an attack by Molotov cocktails. Can you even purchase those anymore?)

Please check the webb site line-x spall liner or about polyurea fast settings anothe one Liquid armour nano technolojy and let me know your thoughts

are you saying you have a product against molotov cocktails?

No, my friend, LynDoor™ Defense Industries has sold our rights to Molotov cocktail resistant assemblies.

The link to STEC, provided by Anonymous Hero in post #27, says their stuff is... I'm sorry, can't remember just what it says, but the gist of it is that Molotov attacks are but one of the miseries you won't have to lose sleep over if you buy their product.

Remember, if you read it in the internet sales brochure, it must be true.

The book "The War Magician" (by Jasper Masckalin) described a material which he would paint on and you could then run into a fire. He tested it in 1944, and the British War Department loved it. They lost his helper, the one in the fire suit who was supposed to rescue him.

I do not know anything else about this product, but no doubt it would be proof against a Molotov Cocktail, which is only a petrol bomb after all.

Let us know of your findings....

Hi Doorman tmy naki (nike)

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the sites give me a bit of an idea such as linex spall liner (on you tube ) rhino liner or liquid armour nano technology

There is paint that can stop bullets, but it requires 20,000 coats.

Here ya go! It says it is THE MOST BULLET PROOF, what more could one want.

Polyurea Spray On Pond Liner, The Most Bullet Proof Pond Liner Available.

I expect a finders fee!

Miraclemaker, similar to many of the posts discussed, bulletproof or bullet resistant materials for 7.62 rounds is not a simple question. Depending on if you are talking about 7.62 AP or ball rounds, 54mm or 39mm, the armor required is different.

Most vehicle and body armor materials to stop 7.62 rounds require ceramic, Kevlar type materials or combinations of both. For example, most body armor requires Kevlar fibers with ceramic (alumina, boron carbide or nitride) plates in critical areas to defend against a 7.62 round.

If you search on line armor ratings or armor standards, it should give you a much better idea of what is involved in stopping/resisting a 7.62 round.

thanks Gary i will look into it

To stop a projectile of a certain energy, the force required is inversely proportional to the stopping distance (Energy = force x distance). This kind of works against thinness.

Here is a link:

http://www.superskinsystems.com/BlastSkin.aspx

Those darn laws of physics! I'd also like a force field and some paint-on invisibility :).

We used to have a spray metalizing gun that would vaporize a metalic wire and coat wooden patterns to make them more wear resistant. You had to wear a space suit to use it, but it all happened at room temperature. You could just keep building it up until it was thick enough to stop a bullet.

The miltiary tested the polyol coatings on mobile homes by detonating TNT blasts in close proximity to the structures.The structures mainatined their integrtiy, but the contents of the trailers became flying shrapnel..The lesson learned was that if all furniture and loose articles were securely fastened down, then the blasts would be humanly survivable.

This is blast protection, not bullet-proof protection.Of course, with a sufficient sized blast, nothing will survive.There are adhesive clear films to apply to windows to make them blast resistant in existing buildings, but the frames must be constructed according to rigid specs to proved the proper level of protection.

I have installed hurricane-rated film on my personal home windows.The same company makes the blast-resistant film,and vandal-proof film for store fronts.

Good luck in your search.

Thanks My friend I have quite a few mails and check their webb sites and videos. will be coming to U.S.A in march to see demostration of some of the products they developed. See what happens next.. I appreciate your suggestions though..

100% bullet-proof regardless of round size or speed. one size fits all

LynDoor™ Defense Industries has a mutually exclusive agreement to supply the Man of Steel with his Super-Hero outerwear. Nice stuff: thermal insulation, impenetrable by α, β, or γ radiation, flamePROOF, waterPROOF, bulletPROOF, wrinkle and stain PROOF... Kryptonite is still troublesome, we're working on it.

This agreement only allows us to produce for him, I'm afraid. Superman isn't the sort of guy that you want to back out on an agreement with, so we're sticking with the deal.

Thanks for the plug, though... Nice to see our work still gets attention.

LynDoor™ Defense Industries: Providing the best in fictional PPE since 1938.

Hi Doorman i have sent you a n e-mail few munites ago i wonder if you have received it.

Doorman I m sorry i think the problem is time difference time is now 1.00 am after midnight I dont know What time is there I also tied to send you message on private talks i dont know if you have received it yet

Time difference is eight hours (time here is eight hours behind your clock). I am in UTC-06:00, you are (I presume here) UTC +02:00.

If you really want to get lyn churned up, ask him what he thinks about Daylight Savings Time. [edit: On second thought, it is probably best to let that sleeping dog lie right where he is.]

Yep, I'm up and at the switch. Haven't seen an IM from you.

You have to get it pretty warm to spray it on but a very thick coat of AR500 (link) should do the trick.

Spray on hardface... on a tin building... to stop rifle bullets?

Yeah........ no.

Doorman i m disappointed. I was genunine all the way nevermind it ' is your loss.. .. Once in a while someone said to me you have to think the impossible to get to reach your dreams..As long as you guys are happy in your own world That what is MATTERS..

SO LONG GUYS...

Wow!

This has been even more frustrating than an over-unity fanatic because this guy seemed to have somehow built a business.

OH, well. Keep on dreamin'.