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DC Current Reads Incorrect

02/21/2014 12:55 PM

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I have a DC current shunt that is rated 50 mV @ 35 KA. There are two ABB universal signal converters (CC-U/STD) that take the shunt voltage and convert to 0-5 volt output . One ABB output goes to a local controller and the other ABB output goes to the DCS. The DCS signal follows the current correctly up to ~24500 A then is clamped. The other ABB output follows the shunt current correctly up to the scaled limit of 30000 A.

On the bench, the ABB converters are dead on. 0 volts in = 0 volts out, 50mV in = 5.000 volt out. In the system, 0 amps = 0 volts but the one ABB reads slightly lower than the set point at around 18000 A and stops following the current above 24500 A.

The outputs go to an Allen Bradley I/O card on the PLC rack. The output voltage of the ABB converter matches what the display reads from the I/O channel. Is it possible that the I/O channel is limiting the output of the ABB converter?

There are 6 of these units all setup the same. only this one reads off. We changed the ABB converter but there was no change in the display

On the next maintenance outage we were planning to switch the ABB channels but I am concerned if we run above 25000 and the local controller does not see that level.

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Re: DC current reads incorrect

02/21/2014 1:07 PM

Since you say you have 6 identical setups, you can troubleshoot:

1. If you move the shunt, does the limited current display follow it?

2. If you move the ABB signal converter(s), does the limited display follow it?

3. If you swap the 2 ABB signal converters on one of the setups, does the limited display follow them?

If so, you should be able to identify which one of them is the problem. If not, then the problem is something about the DCS input you are using (is that the Allen Bradley I/O & PLC?), and should be investigated with Allen Bradley's tech support.

Your testing so far has given you a lot of clues that the problem is at the DCS input, but the above should verify it for you.

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Re: DC current reads incorrect

02/21/2014 2:21 PM

>We changed the ABB converter but there was no change in the display

That says that the converter probably is not at fault, particularly because it's got 3 way isolation, they work OK on the bench, and two of them produce the same results connected to the DCS.

Apparently the local controller has control. Does that mean you can run a test on the DCS without waiting for an outage?

Why not disconnect the ABB's output at the DCS input, connect a simulator/calibrator to the DCS input and see what happens as the signal gets above 4.0Vdc?

If the DCS AI is working correctly and the point is scaled correctly, then 5.0Vdc from the simulator should give a 30KA reading.

If a 5.0Vdc simulator output clamps the DCS reading at 24.5KA, then either someone changed the point scaling on the DCS input (assuming it ever worked properly) or the AI is faulty.

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Re: DC current reads incorrect

02/22/2014 1:36 AM

I smell ground loop. Try a ground loop isolator to the DCS.

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Re: DC Current Reads Incorrect

02/22/2014 10:05 AM

The CC-U/STD is a loop isolator: 3 way: input/output/power.

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Re: DC Current Reads Incorrect

02/24/2014 3:50 AM

We had a small window to shut down and test the converters. We disconnected the shunt inputs and applied a calibrator 0 - 50mv to the input of each. The convertor for the local display went from 0 to 5volts, the DCS convertor stopped at 3.6 volts. We switched the outputs so that the local was feeding the DCS channel and it also stopped at 3.6. We thought at that point there was a problem with the input channel on the card and replaced the card.

Our time was up at that point. when we started up it was looking good until we got to around 28000A then the channel stopped following the current. So it is doing the same thing now but at a bit higher level than before. Anything else we could check into?

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