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The right way to handle foreclosures

03/08/2014 3:04 AM

It's been about seven years now since the housing market crash. Since then millions of properties have been foreclosed on. Now the housing market is recovering and foreclosure rates are declining. Some of the hardest hit areas however are still struggling to fully recover from the housing market crash. Currently New Jersey has the highest share of foreclosures that are either delinquent or in foreclosure. Florida comes in second and New York comes in thirds. While a high foreclosure rate typically viewed as a bad thing, it could be indicative of a state's way of handling foreclosures rather than the strength of that state's economy.

Two ways to handle foreclosures

It's up to each state to decide how to handle foreclosed properties. While there are a lot of little differences among all the states, there are two basic ways to handle foreclosures. States either handle foreclosures relatively fast, or they require a judge's approval and the process is relatively slow. There's a lot of debate as to which way is best for the housing market.

Faster foreclosures

A lot of people are in favor of the faster foreclosure process. Consider that the three states with the most mortgages in delinquency or foreclosure have the longest foreclosure process. Because of the bottleneck in the process, there are typically more foreclosures in the pipeline at any given time. Proponents of the faster foreclosure process are quick to point out that economies are strongest when assets are owned by people who can use them productively.

A major advantage for states that have a faster foreclosure process is that foreclosed properties end up in the hands of new owners before they can fall into disrepair.

Slower foreclosures

While a faster foreclosure process is ideal when the housing market is recovering, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the opposite is true when the housing market is crashing. When the housing market first crashed, the hardest hit states were those with the fastest foreclosure process. With so many homes suddenly on the market, housing prices fell dramatically and many homeowners found themselves underwater on their mortgages.

Which is best?

Unfortunately, there isn't an easy answer to this question since their effectiveness seems to depend a lot on other circumstances. Some states have changed their foreclosure process during the crisis to adapt as needed. For instance, New York and New Jersey initially had a slower foreclosure process. When the market began to recover and they were not recovering as quickly, they sped up the process. Perhaps the best approach is to be flexible with the foreclosure process as needed

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03/08/2014 4:50 AM

"... high foreclosure rate... could be indicative of a state's way of handling foreclosures rather than the strength of that state's economy...."

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While the speed of the foreclosure and subsequent resale must have some effect on the percentage of mortgaged properties that are in that process at any given time, it might, at best, be considered as indicative 'in addition to' things such as the strength of the state's economy (but not 'rather than').

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Regardless of the speed advantage of a nonjudicial approach, it does not have the ability to unhitch the connection between the economy, employment and the housing market. People without income make housing payments for very long is a very small minority and the size of such a group is unlikely to grow even if the foreclosure process could be shortened to one day following a 90 day delinquency. Most people require income to pay mortgages.

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There have been some nightmare situations that have occurred related to the drive to speed up the foreclosure process and while not everyone would have been avoided with a little judicial scrutiny (or the threat thereof), I can't help but think that many would.

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The speed of the foreclosure process probably does effect on foreclosure rates. That effect might even be measurable, but it doesn't come close to the effects of employment rates and the overall economy on foreclosure rates.

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The run up (an overshoot) of home values and the glut of homes and condos built on the basis of fraudulent claims that he properties would be owner occupied (some people had signed multiple contracts owner occupied condos at a time, and that fraud had paid well for years prior) also is likely to have a lot more to do with how long and how severe a housing market correction is in most realistic scenarios than how quickly foreclosures can be completed.

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I'm all for letting markets find their natural bottom so that assets price can begin moving in a better direction more quickly, but I'm also wary of overstating the power of something that temporarily distorts at the danger of suggesting it is a fundamental driver.

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03/08/2014 4:51 AM

"... high foreclosure rate... could be indicative of a state's way of handling foreclosures rather than the strength of that state's economy...."

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While the speed of the foreclosure and subsequent resale must have some effect on the percentage of mortgaged properties that are in that process at any given time, it might, at best, be considered as indicative 'in addition to' things such as the strength of the state's economy (but not 'rather than').

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Regardless of the speed advantage of a nonjudicial approach, it does not have the ability to unhitch the connection between the economy, employment and the housing market. People without income make housing payments for very long is a very small minority and the size of such a group is unlikely to grow even if the foreclosure process could be shortened to one day following a 90 day delinquency. Most people require income to pay mortgages.

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There have been some nightmare situations that have occurred related to the drive to speed up the foreclosure process and while not everyone would have been avoided with a little judicial scrutiny (or the threat thereof), I can't help but think that many would.

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The speed of the foreclosure process probably does effect on foreclosure rates. That effect might even be measurable, but it doesn't come close to the effects of employment rates and the overall economy on foreclosure rates.

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The run up (an overshoot) of home values and the glut of homes and condos built on the basis of fraudulent claims that he properties would be owner occupied (some people had signed multiple contracts owner occupied condos at a time, and that fraud had paid well for years prior) also is likely to have a lot more to do with how long and how severe a housing market correction is in most realistic scenarios than how quickly foreclosures can be completed.

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I'm all for letting markets find their natural bottom so that assets price can begin moving in a better direction more quickly, but I'm also wary of overstating the power of something that temporarily distorts at the danger of suggesting it is a fundamental driver.

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03/08/2014 7:22 AM

What are you selling?

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03/08/2014 11:22 AM

what do you call a buss full of lawyers that drives off a cliff with 2 empty seats? A. a shame

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03/10/2014 9:29 AM

I prefer the punchline 'A waste of two seats.' Helps to make sure the people who don't instincively hate lawyers (yes, all three of them) get the joke as well.

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03/10/2014 9:31 AM

a valid argument!

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03/08/2014 8:58 AM

Are you aware that this is an engineering forum?

Anybody heard any good lawyer jokes?

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03/08/2014 9:12 AM

First, we kill all the lawyers.....

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03/08/2014 10:21 AM

Lawyers, who needs 'em?

Can't even be ethical in their faked adverts feigning help for home owners.

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Why don't snakes bite lawyers?

Professional courtesy.

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03/08/2014 10:55 AM

They're running radio ads around here, saying that bankruptcy is the first step towards a higher credit rating.

I'm not sure if I should go for that one, or the guaranteed SS disability approval.

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03/08/2014 11:19 AM

Did you ever hear of a shark biting a lawyer?

Again, professional cour

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03/09/2014 4:14 AM

Did you know lawyers never get hemorrhoids ?

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They are all perfect ass holes.

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03/08/2014 11:36 AM

Here is another spin on foreclosures. If I bought this property at $1,000,000 when prices were high, and now the I have no job, I can no longer pay my mortgage. But, that million dollar property is now only worth half of that on the market. As long as the property is still mine, and there is any hope that I will start making up my missed payments, the mortgage holder still has a million dollar asset. As soon as the mortgage holder completes foreclosure and the property returns to them, the current value of the property is all of the asset they hold.

In addition, before foreclosure, the property owner is maintaining the million dollar property. After foreclosure the mortgage holder is paying for property maintenance and insurance.

If you had someone living in a property that was upside down, and was maintaining the property, making some payments, and still racking up late fees, how fast would you want to foreclose on them?

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03/08/2014 12:14 PM

the problem with your statement is, " the property is still mine". if it were "yours" no one would be foreclosing on you in the first place. debt is debt

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03/09/2014 12:58 AM

You are right. The property is never truly mine till the mortgage and taxes are paid. A better statement would have been ''As long as my name is still on the deed."

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03/09/2014 4:24 AM

"....the mortgage holder still has a million dollar asset...."

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Not true. The value of a mortgage is heavily dependent on pay history. While current mortgages with good history trade for somewhere near the amount off remaining principal (dependent on a number of factors, but somewhere in the vicinity), delinquent mortgages trade for much less and seriously delinquent mortgage with a borrower that is no longer in communication trade for a small fraction of the remaining principal. Non performing assets are no where near as valuable at the were originally, regardless iff foreclosure has begun or not.

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Also, if the borrower cannot or will not make their monthly paymments, they are also almost certainly doling out what is necessary for basic upkeep, nor insurance, nor taxes.

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03/09/2014 2:55 PM

The term is equity.

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03/10/2014 11:49 PM

Which term do you think would be better written as 'equity'?

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03/11/2014 7:45 AM

Yourstatement of :

"The value of a mortgage is heavily dependent on pay history. "

As in the equity you build up in your house (Principle Payments) with the difference between the home's fair market value and the outstanding balance of all liens on the property.

Unless of course you house is underwater........ meaning you owe more on it than it's actual worh

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03/11/2014 9:28 AM

No, you misunderstand the perspective.

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I'm not talking about the net value of the property investment to the mortgagee. I'm talking about the value of the mortgage to the mortgagor.

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The occurrence of delinquency on a mortgage severely decreases the value of that asset held by the institution (or individual) that either originated or subsequently purchased it.

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03/11/2014 9:33 AM

value of the mortgage, not the property.......... got it....it was there in the first place, just missed it......

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03/08/2014 3:25 PM

The only reason we're hearing from this vulture is that he, and his firm, is phishing for more poor souls to fleece.

Never known anybody to need a lawyer unless some unfortunate circumstance (usually produced in the first place by a lawyer) befell them and they then had to navigate through an extremely complex, slow, cumbersome legal system.

I could tell you the story of our efforts to adopt 3 boys we have already raised for virtually all their lives. The process is overly complex, time consuming, demeaning, frustrating and expensive.

"First, we'll kill all the lawyers". Shakespeare.

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03/09/2014 2:57 PM

Great, I'm glad it's a Shakespeare quote....... And I like it.....

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03/08/2014 8:26 PM

I took out the spammiest parts of the OP, and also banned the OP, but I'll leave this thread open and not delete it, at least for now, because it seems to have started a bit of actual conversation.

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03/08/2014 8:50 PM

Sounds like fun!

As long as we're conversing...why did you cut off my posting ability last weekend?

I can be a tad outspoken, but I can't track down the post you had a problem with.

Was it my position regarding Monsanto?

Feel free to jump into the threads and take part in the conversation. Shutting me up with a mouse click and admin privileges, isn't very impressive.

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03/08/2014 9:56 PM

"a tad outspoken"?

You can also be a master of understatement.

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03/09/2014 4:29 AM

"....Shutting me up with a mouse click and admin privileges, isn't very impressive....."

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I find it very impressive, regardless of the specific technique employed. I had no idea it was even possible! I learn something new everyday.

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03/09/2014 5:24 AM

"....Shutting me up with a mouse click and admin privileges,.."

A little like pushing the mute button of the TV remote and directing it at the Mrs......it doesn't work.

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03/09/2014 7:46 AM

True.

When they manage to shut me up on here, I have to go over and bother people on FB...including current and former CR4 members.

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03/09/2014 10:31 AM

And those of us over there all rush over here and beg Admin to let you back in!

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03/09/2014 3:23 PM

OFF TOPIC?

That's a hoot!

Seriously folks, this is the last place I'd expect to find someone looking for foreclosure advice, or someone trolling for customers wanting legal advice.

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03/09/2014 4:27 PM

Maybe they're looking for a formula for it...... :P

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03/09/2014 4:28 PM

Amen. I first checked to see if I could rate the original post OT.

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03/09/2014 7:49 AM

You may have a future as a moderator on some forum.

As far as handling foreclosures; I found that it was best to buy a house that I could afford the payments on.

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03/09/2014 5:38 PM

So you disagree with the OP's contention that rates of foreclosure may be more dependent on the length off the foreclosure process than the state of the economy? If so, I agree with you.

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03/09/2014 10:20 AM

Have I just logged into the wrong place ?

Far be it from me to go a bit outside the scope of CR4 . You can rephrase that a bit to include science and engineering words, that way we are all cool with it.

If you can find the full video link for this, it's stonking hilarious. I'm off to pick my Farmville crops - the joke will be evident if you can find the vid.

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