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Surge Analysis of Fire Water Piping

04/23/2014 7:57 AM

Theory part:

What are the conditions under which a surge analysis of a piping becomes necessary? What is the basis of surge analysis? What are we checking and trying to achieve by doing surge analysis of a piping section or a piping system?

Coming to the practical case:

There is an existing fire water piping network in the plant. We are installing new equipments as part of the plant expansion and the new equipment also needs fire protection piping with spray nozzles all around. For this we are taking a tapping out of existing fire water header pipe and installing a deluge valve skid and with some butterfly valves, installing the spray nozzles. Valves will be in open position and the line will always be in pressurized condition. Does this line require a surge analysis and why?

Piping Material: GRP

Test Pressure: 27 Barg

We are not installing any pumps or surge vessels and any other pulsating equipment to foresee any surge problems. Does this typically falls under a piping engineer's scope or a process engineer need to look at this?

Thanks for bearing with my long questions.

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Re: Surge Analysis of Fire Water Piping

04/23/2014 11:44 AM

Surge pressures are created whenever the flow is changed abruptly and these pressures superimpose upon the operating pressure and spread throughout the whole system.

These pressure are frequently the highest and lowest that will ever be seen in a system and so become the primary design case and also the major cause of damage, leaks and downtime.

Surge also causes low pressures which means that surge pressures are the dominant cause of air valve operation, hence contamination risk, noise and odour.

A pressure rise of 10 bar can result from as little as 1 m/s which means that most pipe design pressure rating can be exceeded and most system can experience severe subatmospheric pressures.

Surge pressures are created whenever the flow is changed abruptly and these pressures superimpose upon the operating pressure and spread throughout the whole system.

These pressure are frequently the highest and lowest that will ever be seen in a system and so become the primary design case and also the major cause of damage, leaks and downtime.

Surge also causes low pressures which means that surge pressures are the dominant cause of air valve operation, hence contamination risk, noise and odour. A pressure rise of 10 bar can result from as little as 1 m/s which means that most pipe design pressure rating can be exceeded and most system can experience severe subatmospheric pressures

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Re: Surge Analysis of Fire Water Piping

04/23/2014 4:15 PM

What do the fire suppression system specifications say?

What does your insurance company say?

What does the local code officer say?

My guess is that you will need to do a surge test, since you are modifying an existing fire suppression system.

You should know this before the first part is ordered.

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Re: Surge Analysis of Fire Water Piping

04/23/2014 5:20 PM

Consult with a suitably qualified hydraulic engineer!!

There are other considerations, like will the existing pipe provide sufficient flow/pressure given the additional nozzles and such in place. The old system may have been "at limit" when installed, or the codes (legislative expectations) may have changed since that system was built.

Extensions would typically mean all to be upgraded to "modern practice".

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