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Shock From Solar Panel Cable

05/05/2014 10:43 AM

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Being a rainy season with less down pour but high incidence of Lightning. my mother disconnects the plug from the socket of the Inverter to the mains. A solar panel wires are connected to the Inverter. When the Lightning subsided, as usual my mother picked up the wire end at the 3 pin socket. to insert into the wall socket that connects to the Mains, when she recieved a rather hard shock, despite her shoes.

Could it be that a lightning hit the Solar panel at the precise moment she caught hold of the plug?

The home circuit is fitted with a 30Amps cut off device or circuit breaker. But the current in this case happened outside the home network.

Any device that can be suggested to prevent such an accident?

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Re: Shock from Solar Panel cable

05/05/2014 12:01 PM

If a lightning bolt had hit while your mother was holding a cable, she would have exploded!!

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05/05/2014 1:07 PM

Depends if the only ground was/is through the mains. If so, then the whole solar panel system would pick up a healthy charge from the storm.

Your mom would give it the best discharge path to earth when she picked up the wire end.

Hopefully, not this extreme.

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05/05/2014 1:09 PM

Looks like the anti-islanding protection of your inverter is purely academic, or the electrons just can't reed Chineese stop signs. S.M.

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Re: Shock from Solar Panel cable

05/05/2014 3:18 PM

There can be a charge on the ground without a lightning strike. Lightning only occurs when there is enough charge to exceed the breakdown voltage of the air path. Any large metallic structure, such as a tower, can hold enough charge to cause injury.

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05/05/2014 4:25 PM

If lightning had hit the panel, wouldn't she have heard it and seen the flash? No guesswork there!

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05/05/2014 5:07 PM

She inserted the solar panel's output into the wall socket?

Despite her shoes? Was she wearing some kind of leather lineman's footwear? Not that footwear choice makes much of a difference with regard to lightning...

If the current in the "home network" happened outside...of...it...then how did she get shocked? What is your reasoning there?

Odd language for an engineering forum...

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05/05/2014 6:32 PM

JJeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz!

What a dork you are! (real word selection and what I REALLY think of you altered)

The guy's a first time poster from a foreign country.

Give him a break!

Typical arrogant, bureaucratic government jerk! You are a waste of tax dollars and should assume your rightful place in the unemployment lines.

Oh, have I told you that your response is totally worthless, too?

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05/06/2014 12:10 PM

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05/06/2014 12:23 PM

I don't work for the bureaucracy, oh enlightened one.

I'm a blackshoe.

I'd make more on unemployment.

Your response has oh so much value, too.

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05/05/2014 10:54 PM

When you have a moment to spare, please take a look at CR4's Member Pages and make note of how many CR4 members are very likely *not* from English-speaking countries. Quite a few, I'd wager. Maybe the majority? This IS an international forum after all and so are we surprised?

Possibly in the interest of clarity, the OP may wish to re-post his question in his native tongue. Perhaps this might serve to better level the playing field?

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05/06/2014 12:21 PM

Well, natarjsn doesn't list a country, so I couldn't really be sure.

I don't typecast someone based on how they write or based on their nationality.

I feel that someone who posts on an engineering forum shouldn't be treated any differently, from a safety perspective, just because they happen to be from a non-English speaking country.

If he (or she) has set up a solar-powered scenario such that their mother is getting shocked, then I would think that most on the forum here would be lambasting them...much as they do to the English as a primary language types.

And yes, I would recommend to the OP a forum which used their native tongue. Maybe their question would be easier to understand.

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Re: Shock From Solar Panel Cable

05/06/2014 11:43 PM

She was not plugging the solar panel output to the wall socket, she was plugging the INVERTER output in, likely a rudimentary safey disconnect.

Natarajsn, the inverter would be storing a charge in the capacitors that might be at a significant voltage potential. If the cable/connectr was moist, along with your mother's skin and the shoes, conduction across all those moist surfaces is easily possible. That's why they make insulated switches.

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05/07/2014 10:48 AM

I still don't see it...

...plugging the inverter output in...?

I guess I would have to see, but most times a plug is referred to as the dongle at the end of a cord which has male parts. If that's the output of the inverter, then there are exposed energized parts. A receptacle isn't "plugged in", it's plugged-into.

It sounded to me as if the "rudimentary" system just plugs into the wall as a veeeery basic way of feeding the output of the solar plant into the home's electrical system. We all know how those types of situations normally end up, which is why I am thinking his momma got zapped.

If the inverter output has female parts at the end of the dongle, then I get it. Not that it's important that I understand any of it.

If I were he, I would invest in an ATS or design another type of cutoff/switchover (insulated switch).

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