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Scrubber Vessel Design

05/11/2014 9:55 PM

I have been designing pressure vessels to ASME V111 and AS1210 for the last 5 years.

I'm looking to expand my design capabilities into designing Gas Scrubber vessels, is there any reference materials the could potentially be useful for someone with limited knowledge of scrubber vessel design? All suggestions welcome please.

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Re: Scrubber Vessel Design

05/12/2014 9:44 PM

A vessel is a vessel is a vessel.

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Re: Scrubber Vessel Design

05/12/2014 9:57 PM

Gertrude , please elaborate?

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05/12/2014 11:19 PM

It's a cultural thing.

What is special about scrubbers vis-a-vis other vessel types?

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05/12/2014 11:56 PM

Perhaps you misunderstood the question.

the question is asking for reference materials that could be useful for effective design of gas scrubber vessels which might be out of the ordinary of normal vessel design ,not an opinion on their complexity, simplicity or difference to other vessels. Perhaps you can provide a normal answers not philosophical rhetoric questions which are contradictory to the question at hand

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05/13/2014 12:01 AM

Never mind.

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05/15/2014 3:06 PM

Perhaps you might consider asking questions which require normal answers as opposed to philosophical ones.

Its not clear in what aspects of the design you have been working.

Quoting ASME suggests the mech design in which case then all the aspects that you have been considering in your current work - but we don't know what vessels you have been looking at so we cant give you much help so we dont know from where you are starting.

Also scrubbers means many different things to many different people.

It could be the KO vessel upstream of a compressor; internals of varying complexity, small liquid heel

It could be a liquid filled vessel in which gas is bubbled through to remove chemicals

It could be a gas column with descending liquids to move different chemicals

I have seen all of these called scrubbers

Key features in the mechanical design of a vessel

Design Pressure. These will set wall thicknesses and weld requirements

Design Temperature impacts wall thicknesses and metallurgy

Corrosivity, process fluids - this sets materials, corrosion allowance

But these are the same for all vessels. We need to know the sort of work you have been doing and what you think of when you say a scrubber.

However I am a process engineer so the thickness of plate and weld type are of supreme indifference but internal arrangements are interesting, and so there are a whole different set of questionsdepending ont he type of scrubber etc.

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05/13/2014 1:09 PM
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Re: Scrubber Vessel Design

05/18/2014 9:16 PM

simonsd
Thanks for your details reply.I have designed a fair bit of surge vessels for irrigation some as big as 95m3I'm pretty content with mechanical design side of things but what confused me the most was the amount of chemical data for the gas, which I'm not sure what do with it. There's is also volumetric flow rate which I believe I have to use for sizing the vessel.
Scrubber will be installed upstream of the suction inlet of a gas turbine driven centrifugalcompressor unit. The scrubber has to be able remove entrained liquids, iron oxide particles, dust, or any other foreign matter that may be present in a gas stream.
Its a vertical cyclone type unit and I'm not sure the cyclone tube comes a compact unit already designed or I have to used the chemical data provided to do it?

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05/19/2014 7:41 AM

You need a process engineer and/or a good book of the same order. Try LinkedIn.

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05/27/2014 4:42 AM

Anon

Sorry I have been away and not able to respond

It looks as though you are changing discipline and moving from the mechanical design to the process (and then presumably mechanical) design of a vessel.

I would strongly point you in the direction of GPSA HAndbook which has all the sizing questions and answers that I think that you need.

A few things on which you will need to be clear.

Is the scrubber to be designed as one large cyclonic device? (A bit like a much larger Dyson)

Or will it have a 'tray' of small cyclonic units. Many of the big operting companies specify a complex array of devices that are fitted as a unit in the top of a scrubber that will include large numbers of small cyclonic units.

If you look at GPSA and the separation equations the key data will be

Density of liquid/solid and gas

Viscosity of liquid / gas

Mass flow

Actual volumetric flow

These separators essentially work on the difference in density of the liquid and gas so a wider density difference means a smaller vessel. Note that gas density is a function of molecular weight which is why this data is included.

The viscosity affects the settling time.

The ACTUAL volumetric flowrate is uesed to determine the velocity in the vessel (if the gas velocity exceeds the liquid settling velocity then the droplets will not separate). Volumetric flow is often quoted in normal and standard flows and you will need to convert to your operating conditions.

I have never had to deal with significant amounts of solids and I am not sure how differently you would handle them compared with liquids.

You will need to know a maximum particle size that can be allowed to pass to the compressor.

I have not actually designed a cylonic unit myself so I am not sure what other factors might be important.

Other things to consider will be nozzle sizings and what sort of fitting you have on the inlet. These are usually limited by the property rho. v2 (density times square of velocity) and there are different vlaues depending on the inlet device used. If you have a cyclonic device it may be that you don't need one.

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