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How do They Stop This?

05/28/2014 10:20 AM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-cracks-down-instant-messaging-services-n116071

  • How does a government stop this?
  • Physically shut down the building and run off the occupants?
  • set up some type of jamming device?

I am not that IT/ phone savvy and was just wondering how it would be done.

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05/28/2014 10:43 AM

They don't have to do anything like that....that's not how it works, it's a political struggle....They warn certain people and if they don't comply to the extent that officials think they should, they arrest them...make examples out of them....sometimes though, if the person is popular enough, then he becomes a martyr, they try to avoid that... Realistically it's pretty hard to stop the flow of communication nowadays, people will always find a way....but the establishment will use propaganda to discredit anybody who starts to show leadership in the opposition, and make their life very difficult in any way they can....

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05/28/2014 1:26 PM

Word and content search of the media. They don't need no search warrant to do so. If officers of Tencent want to stay in businesses and /or not go to jail they allow the search. Most likely make Tencent use their own computers to do the search. Have the computer search for words. First on the list I would imagine would be the names of party officials and the government leader. One comes up it kicks out the content of what ever media used. It's reviewed and a decision made on whether to go kick down doors and arrest someone. there would also be a long list of words and phrases.

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05/28/2014 5:22 PM

We live in a freer society.

There was a time when I would have said we live in a free society, but not any more.

We live in a world not unlike "1984". A quote, "Everywhere Winston goes, even his own home, the Party watches him through telescreens" .

We have the NSA who records all our phone calls and God knows what else they do. Spying on you through your laptop (even in your bedroom) is commonplace.

Facebook™ is in the process of turning the microphone in your cell phone into a 24 hour spy device that can record everything you say, and much more, truth be told.

No, this is not our father's world. It is becoming a "Brave New World", at the cost of our personal freedom, and much more.

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05/29/2014 8:07 AM

That's pretty much the message Snowden (the NSA leaker currently in Russia) put across in the interview that was broadcast last night. The more we learn how corrupt our gov't is, the more empathy I'm developing for him.

"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

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05/29/2014 11:15 AM

GA Hooker,

I'm not sure Snowden went about all this in the correct way but what he unveiled about a government run amok and wildly trampling its citizens freedoms (all for a good cause or reason of course) is alarming.

I have always liked the quote of "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." When we give up freedom because of some specific isolated event, we set an awful precedent for those in power. And since we don't have people in power, or at least very few, who are men and women of high moral character and integrity, we leave the door wide open for egregious abuses to take place. As President Abe Lincoln said, "most men can handle adversity, but if you want to test a mans character, give him power."

Samuel Adams had some great insight, "A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader." Feb. 12, 1779

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05/29/2014 1:41 PM

I had a course in high school my senior year called Problems of Democracy. Now, this was 1967-1968, and the teacher said way back then, during the height of the Cold War, he didn't fear the Communists. He feared our insecurities would drive us to turn our republic into a Facist state to be safe. We'd give total control of our lives to the government for protection. Guess what? It's happening.

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05/29/2014 3:16 PM

I had a similar teacher in HS. He was a retired Army officer who taught Economics and preached a similar message.

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05/29/2014 3:39 PM

Not a co-incidence - my teacher was an ex-Marine and a mean football coach. Kicked my butt every practice.

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05/29/2014 4:42 PM

The bad thing is that "this is a plain as the nose on your face" that this is happening and since we have so many stupid, don't read dumb, voters, with such a short term, "I want it now" mentality, that they will trade away their freedoms for a cup of pottage, i.e. government handout.

We are also reaping the results of an educational system that doesn't train its students to think for themselves, but rather be stupid little robots who will work for a pittance and be satisfied. They have no vision for a brighter future so they just take what they can at the moment.

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05/29/2014 5:15 PM

The biggest error I see us making, is feeling we need to legislate away every little accident or annoyance. The media gets a hold of an issue and hammers it day and night until the legislators think they must pass a law to correct the issue. That is how the government is slowing taking complete control away from us.

My wife works at a nursing home and the big scare about resident abuse has begat some rather stupid results. The home was sited for too much gravy on a piece of meatloaf, and having a butane lighter stored in a cabinet with a spray can of insecticide, with propane propellant. Terrible danger - why I heard this and ran home and cleaned out all my garage work cabinets immediately.

There is a political ad running in NY right now that says the legislature only passed 1 law this year, and we are supposed to be concerned and vote in new legislators. I say - good! Why do we need hundreds of more laws every year? We have so many laws now, I am sure I must be breaking several every day and not even know it.

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05/29/2014 5:28 PM

Why do we need hundreds of more laws every year?

Because that's how legislators get bribes and campaign contributions.

Without all that bribe money coming in they might have to scale back the election cycle from 99% of the time to some reasonable amount, and, God forbid, run an honest campaign based on the facts instead of how many dollars are spent.

After all, dollars win elections, not honesty, hard work and ethics.

Too, how would all the politicians turned lobbyists make a decent decadent living?

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05/30/2014 8:12 AM

I have a novel idea - why don't we start requiring legislators to review old outdated laws and remove them instead of piling more on top of what we already have?

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05/30/2014 8:36 AM

Actually, many laws have sunset provisions (expiration dates) built in. The Patriot Act is one of the better known ones.

Here's a pretty good reference to sunset provision use in the US and other countries.

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05/28/2014 9:31 PM

It's very easy to do. Since all internet traffic goes through gov't controlled servers the authorities simply set up filters to divert/block message traffic that they deem "harmful", instantly blocking all message access to and from those servers.

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05/29/2014 9:08 AM

That is easier said than done especially if the communication is done via VPM. The posted information is a stationary target and easy to hit.

Snowden leaked his info right after the IRS was caught targeting conservatives and Zionists. I really can't figure why they were targeting Zionists. Jews are usually liberal. It was our government that screwed that one up. If they treated him like a whistle blower instead of a spy most of what he eventually leaked would never have been leaked. All the persons handling that affair were either grossly incompetent or were getting orders from one.

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05/29/2014 10:52 AM

I would say that pretty much anybody who has ever been audited, thinks they were unfairly targeted....jus sayin'....

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05/29/2014 11:48 AM

How can I argue with that?

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05/29/2014 11:55 AM

Except in normal IRS auditing there isn't a specific pattern, group of people or a paper trail of directives/orders given.

There is also a track record of these current people to abuse their power and to be vindictive as well.

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05/29/2014 11:05 AM

"All the persons handling that affair were either grossly incompetent or were getting orders from one."

Kinda like the White House outing the Kabul CIA station chief the other day?

I think I detect a pattern here...

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05/29/2014 11:46 AM

You and millions of others. POTUS has not seen and end to this like most 2 term presidents, his past is catching up with him. His biggest mistake is not fixing the economy. The number of persons out of work now is about the same as in the bottom of the last recession. Having so many persons on some kind of dole and spending so little is killing the economy.

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06/02/2014 12:51 PM

POTUS is the scapegoat in chief regarding the economic recovery, as well as much of the other stuff he is blamed for. The kinds of policies that have historically gotten the US and other countries out of recessions requires action from congress.

The president may be the chief executive, but he can only work with the resources and laws he is given. It takes much less critical thinking to blame an individual than spread it among 535 elected officials and the dysfunctional institutions they inhabit.

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06/02/2014 1:53 PM

Just like he was singlehandedly responsible for the sequestration.

Tell me again, what good it did to upset millions of lives while Congress toddled along getting paid on time, with free health care while working 112 days a year.

112 days a year and they still can't accomplish SQUAT!!!

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05/29/2014 3:43 AM

The government will force the software developers to filter content that gets sent through there software. If the software developers do not comply they risk being shut down and banned from operating in China. Google is a previous example of this.

For many years most popular western social media (Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc) have been permanently blocked from China. If you wish to access these sites then you need to use a VPN.

For the mobile social messaging apps they will force the companies to use word/content filters to flag anything that they don't like. Users will see their posts and messages getting blocked or removed and possibly getting their accounts banned. Most social messaging in China requires that you register with a valid phone number and you cannot get a valid phone number without valid ID. As a result once they start seeing you posting negative content they will know who you are and where to find you.

WeChat has become hugely popular here in China and taking off around the world. It is a great messaging app and incorporates a lot of good and useful features. The only issue is that all global messaging goes through their China servers (or so I am led to believe). Which means that even those who are using the apps outside of China will also be subject to this censorship that they are imposing.

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05/29/2014 1:39 PM

I think they're only worried about news from outside getting in. It's to their advantage to have people communicate over a medium over which the government can eavesdrop.

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