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Why Surge Arrester Doesn't Work?

07/09/2014 5:58 AM

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Outside of our station the 66KV transmission line passes under 220KV transmission lines in some locations without any grid between them.

In last year,one phase of 220Kv transmission line had cut out and touch one phase of 66KV T.L. and causes breakdown of the insulation of medium voltage side of 220/66/11 KV transformer (which feed this T.L.).

The rated voltage of surge arrester at the end of T.L. is 72.5 KV.

I have some confusion, why the surge doesn't work and limit this over voltage? if I said the voltage doesn't reach the value which then works, so why the insulation break down while the insulation exposed to 140 KV in factory insulation test?

Another thing, what is your advise to protect transformers from faults like this?

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Re: Why surge arrester doesn't work?

07/09/2014 8:23 AM

Hello:

Power transmission lines are not my field of action, but I would think that your surge arrester's function is to protect your 66kv lines from over voltages within themselves. If you aproach a 220kv line to them, then the potential difference between them will be the sum of both voltages if out of phase, 286kv; and a subtraction of the higher minus the lower if in phase (synchronized) 154kv. Enough to break the insulation resistance of your 66kv lines and cause an arc discharge.

Is not your surge arrester's fault. Try to prevent both grids from coming close.

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Re: Why surge arrester doesn't work?

07/10/2014 9:39 AM

something wrong PHASE wise. May not get values as replied on point at which SA is connected

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Re: Why surge arrester doesn't work?

07/11/2014 2:16 PM

exactly the phase "S" in 220KV connected with phase "T" in 66KV

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Re: Why surge arrester doesn't work?

07/11/2014 2:52 PM

I'll accept your argument that I didn't do vector math, but you didn't include the vector group either. Assuming that the 220kV line is the source for the transformer then the 66kV output will be shifted by the vector group and one phase.

Using the 220kV S phase as reference then we have 127kV 0º plus 38kV +/- 30 or 60º for example. 127 + 33 = 160 and 127 + 19 = 146, you still have a blown arrester.

Even if the 66 kV side were somehow de-energized at the time of the contact, you would still have had 127 kV on an arrester with a MCOV of 72.5, that "extra" 45 kV is going to do a lot of damage very quickly. No arrester rated 72.5 MCOV can withstand 127kV continuously for very long.

As a matter of fact if you tell us the make and model number plus the number of cycles the fault persisted, it's possible to estimate how long it took to cook the arrester. You cannot argue your way out of this one.

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07/11/2014 5:01 PM

"you still have a blown arrester."

The problem is the arrester didn't blow

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07/12/2014 3:27 PM

...and you know that how? If the function of a lightning arrester is to protect downstream equipment from failing, and by your own words "...causes breakdown of the insulation..." then one might logically assume that the lightning arrester failed to do its job of protecting the equipment's insulation.

Please provide satisfactory engineering proof that the arrester is still functioning, dude.

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07/09/2014 9:24 AM

220 / √3 = 127 + 66 / √3 = 38, 127 + 38 = 165kV > 140kV = failed arrester

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07/09/2014 10:35 AM

There you go. Simple math.

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07/09/2014 3:14 PM

I under stand this math but my question is if the voltage which the insulation exposed to is 140 KV as you say, why the insulation was breakdown while it exposed to this voltage at insulation test?. And is this voltage isn't high enough to make surge arrester work?

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07/09/2014 8:17 PM

There are many different ratings that apply, and the voltage yours was exposed to, 165kV, exceeded them all thereby guaranteeing that it would fail. It acted properly, it just was not designed to do anything other than self destruct at those voltage levels.

There is really no practical way to protect a 66kV line from 220kV except physical separation.

The 72.5kV rating is known as the MCOV (Maximum Continuous Operating Voltage), which is the voltage that can be tolerated without heating up the semiconductor blocks inside the arrester. Any time the voltage goes above that level those blocks conduct to "clamp" the voltage from going any higher, but in the process they heat up because of all the excess energy they're absorbing. Do that for too long and the arrester overheats and fails. The higher the voltage the more energy is absorbed and the quicker those blocks get hotter.

The 140kV test is a "proof" test done in a factory where it is exposed to a set of impulses which are more like lightning, short duration. This is entirely different than having another energized HV line continuously in contact with the line feeding the arrester. The damage from that type of contact is instantaneous and catastrophic, you have far exceeded what the unit was designed for.

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07/11/2014 2:29 PM

Let me clarified it again,you said "There are many different ratings that apply, and the voltage yours was exposed to, 165kV, exceeded them all thereby guaranteeing that it would fail." isn't supposed that when the voltage exceed them all then it works and decrease the voltage or destruct itself

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Re: Why Surge Arrester Doesn't Work?

07/09/2014 1:39 PM

Because they are surge protectors and not fuses!

The best prevention is to stop these cables from touching through a properly designed and properly constructed installation.

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Re: Why Surge Arrester Doesn't Work?

07/10/2014 12:13 AM

There's only really one way to solve the problem.
Take the lower voltage UG where it passes under the transmission lines.

Unfortunately it costs money but is more effective than relying on surge arresters.

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