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Button Hole Size/Shape

07/29/2014 1:35 PM

Does anyone have any current contact with the Clothing Manufacturing Industry? I have a question that seems truly inane, but I am asking it seriously, as it is important. Question is whether the clothing industry has modified standards on the size/shape of button holes over the past 15-20 years. I know I am getting older and I have had a couple of major health setbacks that likely impact my abilities with buttoning shirts, etc., but as my wife and I look at the button holes on my shirts, they appear to be made somewhat differently by different manufacturers (somewhat expected). Additionally, the size and thickness of some buttons are definitely different. Perhaps it has occurred due to a shift in the amount of contracting out of production to 3rd world countries.

I know some of the solutions to my dilemma; such as use of Velcro fasteners, snaps or button hooks and I use all of these, but I am interested in whether the industry has made some changes over the recent years.

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07/29/2014 2:11 PM

Same happens to me with all written documents: letters get more illegible day after day!

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07/29/2014 2:20 PM

afaik button holes have always been determined by button size and shape...1/2 button circumference + 1/8"...now it's possible that button sizes can vary resulting in some buttons being more difficult to fasten than others and likewise some holes may vary due to imperfections in hole construction.....It's an imperfect world...

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07/29/2014 2:45 PM

As far as buttons go, isn't it all about where fashion 'experts' drive the industry ?

In terms of practical solution; Buy whatever shirt/jacket/etc takes your fancy. Find some secondhand garment with suitably matching (colour/shape) buttons that you can manipulate, then find somebody local who would make the required tailoring changes. I don't think the cost of doing so would be horrific, and you would have something that was a tad better because the alteration had made it more enjoyable to wear and to your individual taste. A bit of hunting around would get you the buttons for a dollar or two, and (if lucky) a friendly local might do the work reasonably cheap. {there's a lady in Etherville who will do exactly that for about £5}

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07/29/2014 3:24 PM

Everybody I knew who could sew is dead.

I can still button the tiny buttons on button down collars, but it's not as easy as it once was.

The relationship between button size and buttonhole ...

Buttons and Buttonholes - University of Kentucky

Different Types of Buttonholes: Rounded, Keyhole & More

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07/30/2014 12:04 AM

Square buttons need square buttonholes.

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07/30/2014 2:06 AM

No idea why anybody 'OT'd you ( I'll go negate that in a second). Square buttons make very good sense. The button can pass thru a hole of similar side length, and a twist will keep it in place (bit like cufflinks). Circular buttons are very 'every-day' and harder to grasp for anybody with elder, possibly arthritic, fingers. Square buttons is a very good idea.

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07/30/2014 2:20 AM

Actually, I was joking, but I didn't want to OT myself.

That said, pentagram buttons might be interesting, with straight buttonholes of pit-to-point + 1/8".

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07/30/2014 3:31 AM

Well there ya go, many a true word spoken in jest .

I like duffle-coats, but it brings back nightmare of my mother looping my mittens with elastic thru the sleeves. My therapist tells me it is good to admit this sort of thing in public. Perhaps I should have payed her for last years bills.

Apologies to our OP, but the 'Paddington Bear' is not a bad solution. Toggles style 'buttons' may look a bit Country 'n' Western, but are possibly easier to manipulate ? What might work depends upon the sort of garment in question.

"pit-to-point + 1/8" ? Yes, you clearly have no knowledge of the topic .

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07/30/2014 7:03 AM

Here is practical solution suggested by a college principal in Indian comedy movie "3 Idiots". He does not use buttoned shirts, he uses zipped shirts as it is easy for him and it saves time.

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07/30/2014 10:19 AM

I like all the answers so far, and I would add that if one is wearing uniforms from a uniform service, buttonhole dimensions are not a universal constant, even on the same garment. Over time, the "boiling" process these uniform services use as a wash will shrink even the most high tech cotton blends to the point that one (a) can no longer button his own uniform shirt without a conical buttonhole stretcher (I am not joking), and (2) has to lose weight just to keep his belly within certain parameters of shrinkage. If you gain weight over the same time period, you will appear the the "Michelin" man (tire commercials), with multiple "spare tires".

Speaking of the "Michelin" man - I think it is racist to use a white "Michelin" man....since when have you seen a white tire, and does this imply that all white men are rolly polly? I think they should change this to black, especially since the Washington Redskins will likely have to change team name to placate the "native Americans." Maybe they could be the Washinton Savages....but use more of an Irish logo....that should raise a few eyebrows at Paddy O'Briens pub and grille.

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07/30/2014 2:13 PM

Speaking of the "Michelin" man - I think it is racist to use a white "Michelin" man....since when have you seen a white tire, and does this imply that all white men are rolly polly? I think they should change this to black, especially since the Washington Redskins will likely have to change team name to placate the "native Americans." Maybe they could be the Washinton Savages....but use more of an Irish logo....that should raise a few eyebrows at Paddy O'Briens pub and grille.

Michelin is a French company. I don't know why he's white, but the logo was developed around the turn of the century, when racist sentiments were quite different than today.

Team names are just about being polite. "Redskin" is a pejorative for American Indians, and has been more or less universally since it was coined. You don't want a team named the "Kikes", "Dagos" or "Honkies" do you? Hey, since they're majority black maybe the Washington NFL team should be called "The Darkies."

"Utes" and "Seminoles" by contrast, are the names the tribes call themselves, and the teams maintain good relations with their namesakes.

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07/30/2014 2:26 PM

Perhaps it would help de-sensitize America to words if there were some teams with names like "Scotties", "Honkies", "Dagos", and "Kikes". They could add a few more teams: "Chinks", "Reds" (oh wait we already have "Reds"), "Nips", "Ruskies", "Huns", etc. ad nauseum. We all know the names, but so what. People who walk around with their feelings on their shirt sleeves are gonna get dirty feelings. Roll up those sleeves and go to work!!! Treat everyone as well as a brother, and it does not matter what "name" you give them. Trust begets honestly, and honesty begets trust. Would you rather be called a crumedgeon to your face, or behind your back?

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